Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[MrMustang]

You speak some truths. The league supports student athletes, meaning the cross country runner is as valuable as a basketball player. We are not a power 5 conference where football generates a tremendous amount of revenue. We are a small group fanatics that follow mostly men's football and basketball. I'm sure the powers to be want competitive teams, but for every intra league win there is a loss.

accurate that many insitutitions value all the sports --- obviously football means more if it makes money but from a Title 9 standpoint, for example, you have to put money into all programs even cross country like football (as an example).

the reality is from a school standpoint and title 9 standpoint being good in women's soccer matters too.

The problem with that -- not a complaint -- is most average casual folks don't care about womens soccer and do about football and basketball.

hard to get big donations (not impossible) for women's soccer - easier for football in most cases.

and if you are good in football, there is a residual of averag students coming that isn't there for being good at women's soccer. so the insitutions would actually be better off from an enrollment standpoint (and the bottom line) being good at football than.

I hear lots of lip service on being good at football -- especially the last 15 years at SMSU, but little action. to be fair way to early for the NEW AD to judge.

I can say lots of lip service from the last 2 presidents but mostly action otherwise (example canceling Hawaiian Night). The tone deafness is interesting.

Great if we are good at golf -- hope we are, but it all flows from football. I have head many say and observe "if we get off to a good start in football, there is just a different vibe regarding all the sports" and that is often from non revenue coaches -- it is true they understand you need good football - makes the school more attractive to recruits and the school better for many --

[NSU4LIFE]

LOL! Yeesh.

Sorry I don't like the Jacks. My advice is to just deal with it. I'm not required to like them. I'd "apologize" for the PFL too - but we both know you couldn't care less about them either, so stop beating your chest over it.

I spent Saturday night with 40,000 people in close quarters who hate my favorite FBS team with a passion far deeper than I'm capable of feeling towards SDSU - yet I'm not whining about it. Kinda neat how that works.

Who said anything about the Jacks? I'll I said was you've talked down about 100 different teams, or conferences or states, education systems. It's literally never ending. You hate fcs yet go to games, you hate PFL but get excited about a near win, you hate south dakotas education system yet are getting a degree there...nothing I said is false, I'm just wondering if there is anything you actually enjoy.

[SW_Mustang]

To be fair, you think almost everything sucks at this point and that's been made quite clear. I can't even keep up with the amount of teams, levels, etc that you have given some negative thoughts about. I don't even think there is anything left that you enjoy, but maybe there never was.

LOL! Yeesh.

Sorry I don't like the Jacks. My advice is to just deal with it. I'm not required to like them. I'd "apologize" for the PFL too - but we both know you couldn't care less about them either, so stop beating your chest over it.

I spent Saturday night with 40,000 people in close quarters who hate my favorite FBS team with a passion far deeper than I'm capable of feeling towards SDSU - yet I'm not whining about it. Kinda neat how that works.

[zimmy21]

More manipulation of facts. Apparently they offer that major at SSU.

At a bare minimum he likes to cherry pick and twist statements. Best guess, it's some sort of inferiority complex.

[CollegeFBGuy]

Bemidji also has four. Saint Cloud has THREE!

Looks like 5 for BSU and 6 for SCSU?

[NSU4LIFE]

I’ve always been fascinated by your advanced hatred of technology at a young age! Haha

I WFH so I got used to the video calls real quick. Text is almost always best (IMO) but agree that is loses so much context.

Last part: truth

My goal is to live long enough to be the last human to ever use the phrase "get off my lawn" though it may be at some AI creation

[Purple Mav Man]

Haha, no worries

Texting is good for quick message to be discrete or if you don't need a fast response.

Email is a good way to include many, again not need a quit response and save information.

A phone call gives the beat context and keeps people connect.

Nothing will ever top face to face.

Video calls are too futuristic for my old school, under 40 backside.

Internet began the destruction of civilization...and not just because it gave us this message board to prove how big of dorks humans can be... ;)

I’ve always been fascinated by your advanced hatred of technology at a young age! Haha

I WFH so I got used to the video calls real quick. Text is almost always best (IMO) but agree that is loses so much context.

Last part: truth

[NSU4LIFE]

Here’s the problem with a non-face-to-face…ha. I figured you meant your own kids. And that’s awesome that you’re teaching them that.

But the second part was meant to be about a program where the teams support each other as in your first post. Probably made it more confusing than I needed to. My bad.

Haha, no worries

Texting is good for quick message to be discrete or if you don't need a fast response.

Email is a good way to include many, again not need a quit response and save information.

A phone call gives the beat context and keeps people connect.

Nothing will ever top face to face.

Video calls are too futuristic for my old school, under 40 backside.

Internet began the destruction of civilization...and not just because it gave us this message board to prove how big of dorks humans can be... ;)

[Purple Mav Man]

I meant my actual children.

Certainly would have applied had the coaching path worked out, haha

Here’s the problem with a non-face-to-face…ha. I figured you meant your own kids. And that’s awesome that you’re teaching them that.

But the second part was meant to be about a program where the teams support each other as in your first post. Probably made it more confusing than I needed to. My bad.

[NSU4LIFE]

Good on you 👍🏻

That would be a program that would be fun to be around. And likely damn successful, in many ways.

I meant my actual children.

Certainly would have applied had the coaching path worked out, haha

[Purple Mav Man]

It truly would be...but you'll never see it. I'm really working on teaching our kids about the importance of supporting those we are close to or are around us as it takes little effort, which is hard when I realize the world isn't like that at all

Good on you 👍🏻

That would be a program that would be fun to be around. And likely damn successful, in many ways.

[NSU4LIFE]

That would be pretty awesome to see :)

It truly would be...but you'll never see it. I'm really working on teaching our kids about the importance of supporting those we are close to or are around us as it takes little effort, which is hard when I realize the world isn't like that at all

[Purple Mav Man]

Maybe the NSIC office but certainly schools do not. I could go on for days on this topic but simply put there are sports that generate revenue, and ones that don't. There are sports that get more interest than others. There will never be a day when you see football teams tailgating at a cross country meet or pregaming for a womens tennis tournament on campus. I've fought this battle (with some reason added) for over half of my life. It is unfortunate that regardless how much support you give it doesn't always go both ways, but it's just a sad, sad truth.

That would be pretty awesome to see :)

[Purple Mav Man]

I'm a "yes " vote all the way !

1. They are likely to be as good or better than UMC in every sport except baseball to start out - and UMC was decimated by transfers this year in baseball so who knows. By the way, Gust is a great coach.

2. Did you know UMC offers 4 Men's sports ? Once you start looking at this it's amazing. What a joke. If the league is willing to let UMC drop football and offer 4 sports, how is adding Jamestown a step down? It isn't.

3.St. Cloud is very poorly run and hemoraging in every way and dropped football. Near as I can tell Jamestown is way more stable. Lots of sports, including football. Nice facilities. Nicer than St. Cloud for the most part.

4. And Jamestown is a nice town. No reason it can't be a good addition.

5. Not a bad trip for anyone but maybe Winona and Wayne and Duluth. Yeah would suck for UMD, but so what. Long ways for Winona and Wayne, but almost all 4 lanes.

6. Near as I can tell solid alumni base.

7. I agree they are small and there are negatives too, but overall, they are better than some current members for sure.

This was your original that I stated read more like an indictment of St Cloud and Crookston than a pro-Jamestown piece. 4 and 5 were the only ones making a case for them and they weren’t super strong.

Your latest post was more pro-Jamestown.

Maybe Southwest should join the GPAC that they have so much in common with? Seems to make more sense.

[NSU4LIFE]

The league supports student athletes, meaning the cross country runner is as valuable as a basketball player.

Maybe the NSIC office but certainly schools do not. I could go on for days on this topic but simply put there are sports that generate revenue, and ones that don't. There are sports that get more interest than others. There will never be a day when you see football teams tailgating at a cross country meet or pregaming for a womens tennis tournament on campus. I've fought this battle (with some reason added) for over half of my life. It is unfortunate that regardless how much support you give it doesn't always go both ways, but it's just a sad, sad truth.