Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[SW_Mustang]

Never wish summer away, but looking forward to NSIC football. I try to watch as many games as possible.

Yup - both things can be true at once, and the early season games are my favorite for that reason.

[MrMustang]

It's VEGAS Gold, thank you very much! (don't ask me why though, maybe MrMustang knows)

It is called Vegas Gold. a shade of gold.

Schwan's was Inca Gold - slightly different

[MrMustang]

It is called Vegas Gold. a shade of gold.

Schwan's was Inca Gold - slightly different

Schwan's "Inca Gold" was developed and created by Milford Paxton for Marvin Schwan at his request.. Milford ran Paxton Signs and made the signs for Schwan's.

Milford never got royalties off the creation of Inca Gold.. Milford's son John was my neigbor for 20 years until he dies in 2017. Huge Mustang fan. Waved the giant Mustang flag on Hawaiian Night.

[laker]

Anyone liking anthracite uniforms should be sent to work in coal mines and dig by hand. Horrible things.

Use your school colors. If you don't like them, change them. Buffalo Lake was orange and black. Loved them. Now everyone has black. Don't get me started on Oregon.

My buddy played football at SMSU. He took his daughter to look at the campus. Stopped at the bookstore and at that time found nothing in brown. But they did have plaid. He still shakes his head over that.

Not a fan of black MSU uniforms. Back when I was a grad assistant in the history department, MSU men's basketball wore gray. Baseball had blue. Someone else, I think wrestling, wore black. After seeing this I wrote to the school paper, the Reporter, asking if the nickname should be changed to the Rainbow Warriors because of this. Someone in the athletic department told me that the MSU president saw that letter to the editor and sent out a memo that all future uniforms would be in school colors. Too bad that she retired.

Millsy, is the accent color for BSU gold or bronze?

[Millsy]

Millsy, is the accent color for BSU gold or bronze?

Well, according to the official BSU Athletic Website, the official colors are Green (PMS 3305 C) and White........ Even though it is an "unofficial" color, a little Google research shows that it is Brown (PMS 465 C), the color of the Beaver in the BSU Logo....


And I still don't like it..........

[laker]

Schwan's "Inca Gold" was developed and created by Milford Paxton for Marvin Schwan at his request.. Milford ran Paxton Signs and made the signs for Schwan's.

Milford never got royalties off the creation of Inca Gold.. Milford's son John was my neigbor for 20 years until he dies in 2017. Huge Mustang fan. Waved the giant Mustang flag on Hawaiian Night.

One thing that I remember from the age of four- our Schwan's delivery man, Marvin. Nice guy. Would always ask for a glass of water when he delivered- he liked the taste. Big guy, dark hair and glasses. I was excited when we drove to Marshall for Appreciation Days when I was in 4th grade and Marvin was scooping ice cream for us. A celebrity sighting! And they gave us an ice cream scooper as a gift. Great company, great products. Some names- like Hawaiian Night- should never be changed.

[Inkblot]

https://jimmiepride.com/news/2026/7/...embership.aspx

[zimmy21]

https://jimmiepride.com/news/2026/7/...embership.aspx

Sad decisions by scared people all around.

[Stanger86]

Sad decisions by scared people all around.

I think you would say that roughly 50% of current Division II institutions are not worthy to be at this level, by your standards. However, this is 2026, not 1996. The level is not flooded with hundreds of institutions with enrollments over 10,000.

It is my perspective that you view Mankato as an "average Joe" institution when it comes to size and funding, when in fact it is in basically the 95th percentile or higher. The average is closer to schools like Northern State or Minot State.

[SW_Mustang]

One thing that I remember from the age of four- our Schwan's delivery man, Marvin. Nice guy. Would always ask for a glass of water when he delivered- he liked the taste. Big guy, dark hair and glasses. I was excited when we drove to Marshall for Appreciation Days when I was in 4th grade and Marvin was scooping ice cream for us. A celebrity sighting! And they gave us an ice cream scooper as a gift. Great company, great products. Some names- like Hawaiian Night- should never be changed.

I'm 95% positive that Marvin is a Bethany alum.

[SW_Mustang]

I think you would say that roughly 50% of current Division II institutions are not worthy to be at this level, by your standards. However, this is 2026, not 1996. The level is not flooded with hundreds of institutions with enrollments over 10,000.

It is my perspective that you view Mankato as an "average Joe" institution when it comes to size and funding, when in fact it is in basically the 95th percentile or higher. The average is closer to schools like Northern State or Minot State.

I was curious and I checked - sans the departing Simon Fraser, MSU ranks as the 18th largest DII college and 4th largest with football - according to Wikipedia anyway.

UT-Dallas ranks #1 with roughly 30,000 students, Lemoyne-Owen College ranks last with 613. Northern/Minot is a good estimate for the median.

IMO - enrollment might play a bit of a factor, but given that colleges recruit athletes, it comes down to access to donor money and an institutional focus on athletics.

[zimmy21]

I think you would say that roughly 50% of current Division II institutions are not worthy to be at this level, by your standards. However, this is 2026, not 1996. The level is not flooded with hundreds of institutions with enrollments over 10,000.

It is my perspective that you view Mankato as an "average Joe" institution when it comes to size and funding, when in fact it is in basically the 95th percentile or higher. The average is closer to schools like Northern State or Minot State.

You'd probably be right, but not due to enrollment exclusively. If there is such a thing as haves and have-nots at this level, why are the have-nots also not getting questioned to their validity of being D2? We all know there is a De Facto break in D1, and hopefully one day that line becomes a clear and evident break. So why are we pretending that D2 isn't the same way? There are just plainly schools that are better fitted dropping sports or dropping levels.

If we can do Non-Conference schedules with or without 14 football playing schools, why would we even worry about it? Scared AD's and Commissioners being asked to do more work is the real answer. Did adding another small school, with less than 1000 students, of which half were considered athletes, bring anything into the Conference, Region, or Division? Did the NSIC get better, or did we get lazier?

As far as donors, MSU doesn't do anything differently than anyone else committed to athletics. I can't tell you if or what anyone donates to the Athletic Department outside of myself. If anyone could I would be very interested to see whom our big donors are. I know Glen donates to the school regularly, but hard pressed to tell if he's an annual donor to the Athletic budget.
When NIL became a thing, I was happy to see that MSU jumped right on board and opened opportunities for their athletes. I'm certain most schools don't have anything set up for them the way MSU does, but who's fault is that?

[SW_Mustang]

I'm certain most schools don't have anything set up for them the way MSU does, but who's fault is that?

Crookston launched theirs a year after MSU did - but the Eagles aren't exactly raking it in.

It's not that I even disagree with you, and I'm certainly not bashing MSU for their success - but sometimes there's more that goes into it besides simply how much somebody "wants" it. For example - maybe one school exists in a metropolitan area 60 miles from Minneapolis with lots of people and lots of business, whereas the other is an outpost in the middle of a void - surrounded by nothing but corn and emptiness. That might have an effect on one's ability to raise money.

[zimmy21]

Crookston launched theirs a year after MSU did - but the Eagles aren't exactly raking it in.

It's not that I even disagree with you, and I'm certainly not bashing MSU for their success - but sometimes there's more that goes into it besides simply how much somebody "wants" it. For example - maybe one school exists in a metropolitan area 60 miles from Minneapolis with lots of people and lots of business, whereas the other is an outpost in the middle of a void - surrounded by nothing but corn and emptiness. That might have an effect on one's ability to raise money.

Of course, but then maybe this level isn't for them.

Clearly the best course of action is to have relegation. It will relevel the playing field for schools that want to compete nationally, and those who just want to field a team for enrollment. Preferably the relegation would be by sport, so if a school wanted to go all in on Basketball for instance they could compete their way to "D1" but not be held back by the financial burden of Football at the D1 level. Just a crude example.

[Stanger86]

You'd probably be right, but not due to enrollment exclusively. If there is such a thing as haves and have-nots at this level, why are the have-nots also not getting questioned to their validity of being D2? We all know there is a De Facto break in D1, and hopefully one day that line becomes a clear and evident break. So why are we pretending that D2 isn't the same way? There are just plainly schools that are better fitted dropping sports or dropping levels.

I think the more likely route would be the NSIC pulling what the MIAC did. Not that I think that's likely, but that it's more likely to ever happen than what you're suggesting.