Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[zimmy21]

Outside of football and women's soccer, Bemidji has really struggled. Bemidji can be really hard to recruit to, especially on the women's side of things.

There's a joke there somewhere I know it

[Millsy]

Outside of football and women's soccer, Bemidji has really struggled. Bemidji can be really hard to recruit to, especially on the women's side of things.

[Purple Mav Man]

Great context. 4life mentioned this on the previous thread. USF was winning the GPAC all-sports award when we moved up. The Jimmies are not.

I cannot speak to however Minot and Mary did in the DAC with Mines and BH for comparisons there.

But not surprisingly, schools that made/make efforts to be competitive remain so. The Mary/SD Mines commitment after years meh isn't the standard for call-ups.

Further history. I’ll just post the link rather than all the tables, but 7th is kinda the ceiling lately.

https://gpacsports.com/GPAC_all-sports_trophy_history

[Otis Day]

Most recent GPAC standings

Great context. 4life mentioned this on the previous thread. USF was winning the GPAC all-sports award when we moved up. The Jimmies are not.

I cannot speak to however Minot and Mary did in the DAC with Mines and BH for comparisons there.

But not surprisingly, schools that made/make efforts to be competitive remain so. The Mary/SD Mines commitment after years meh isn't the standard for call-ups.

[SW_Mustang]

Minot was admitted on the back of USF, to make an even number when the conference was looking for stability.

Now the conference commissioner is saying we're comfortable at 13/15. Is that just blowing some, who knows? The point being, it's different circumstances

That's fair. I wasn't following the NSIC until 2013, so I probably shouldn't be speaking on it.

[Purple Mav Man]

I did this a few years back and while I was looking at it from the lens of where my Cougars have landed, I think it's appropriate to dig back up and update. Below is the NSIC All-Sports Standings since USF and Minot joined the league in 2012. I get this is a football board, but Stanger is right, the decision being made by the administrators is so much more than that.

• USF has always been in the top half finishing as high as #3 in 2018-2019 and no lower than 7
• Minot 's best finish was 11th in 2018-2019
• The other most recent NAIA call up is Mary. After years of hovering in the middle of the pack, finishing as low as 12th. Post-pandemic Mary has been 4 twice. Interesting.
• Side note: Despite Bemidji's football success I was shocked to see them so low in this year after year.

Feel free to analyze and cherry pick stats as you see fit but it's interesting to take a look at the numbers and envision where the Jimmies could potentially slot as previously discussed. Does looking at all the schools commitment to all sports over a decade plus reveal that we should even add another school?

2012-13 NSIC /U.S. Bank All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School Points Last Year
1. Minnesota State (17) 190
2. Augustana (17) 164
3. Winona State (14) 148
4. St. Cloud State (17) 142.5
5. Minnesota Duluth (14) 115.33
6. Sioux Falls (16) 106
7. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 98.08
8. University of Mary (17) 97.5
9. Northern State (16) 84
10. Wayne State (15) 81.5
11. Upper Iowa (12) 78.5
12. MSU Moorhead (15) 74.5
13. Minot State (16) 73.75
14. Southwest Minnesota State (12) 65.33
15. Bemidji State (13) 64.5
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 25.5
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2013-14 NSIC /U.S. Bank All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School............................................ ....Points
1. Minnesota State (17)........................173.5
2. Augustana (17).................................159.5
3. St. Cloud State (17)............................ 132
4. Winona State (14) ............................130.5
5. Minnesota Duluth (14)......................122.5
6. Sioux Falls (16) .............................102.25
7. University of Mary (15) ........................101
8. Concordia-St. Paul (15)......................97.5
9. Southwest Minnesota State (16) ......95.75
10. MSU Moorhead (15)...........................86.5
11. Northern State (14)...........................83.75
12. Wayne State (13)...................................79
13. Upper Iowa (12)..................................78.5
14. Minot State (16).....................................72
15. Bemijdji State (13)............................54.75
16. Minnesota Crookston (10).....................32
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2014-15 NSIC /US Bank All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School Points
1. Augustana (17) 184
2. Minnesota State (17) 176.5
3. Winona State (14) 125.5
4. Minnesota Duluth (14) 125
5. St. Cloud State (17) 121
6. Sioux Falls (16) 108
7. Northern State (14) 99.75
8. MSU Moorhead (15) 98
9. Upper Iowa (12) 93.5
10. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 86.75
11. Wayne State (13) 80.5
12. U-Mary (15) 77
13. SMSU (16) 75.5
14. Minot State (16) 59.75
15. Bemidji State (13) 44.25
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 33
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2015-16 NSIC/US Bank All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School Points
1. Augustana (17) 184.5
2. Minnesota State Mankato (17) 173.5
3. Winona State (14) 128.5
4. St. Cloud State (17) 124.5
5. Minnesota Duluth (14) 119
6. Sioux Falls (16) 111
7. Northern State (14) 105
8. MSU Moorhead (15) 104
9. SMSU (16) 88.5
10. University of Mary (15) 86.5
11. Upper Iowa (12) 85
12. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 83
13. Wayne State (13) 66.75
14. Bemidji State (13) 66
15. Minot State (16) 50.75
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 39.5
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2016-17 NSIC All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School Points
1. Augustana (18) 180
2. Minnesota State (18) 178
3. Winona State (14) 127
4. Minnesota Duluth (14) 119.25
5. St. Cloud State (14) 118
6. MSU Moorhead (16) 108.25
7. Sioux Falls (17) 105.5
8. Northern State (15) 98
9. University of Mary (16) 88
10. SMSU (16) 85.75
11. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 82.5
12. Minot State (16) 77
13. Wayne State (13) 76.75
14. Bemidji State (13) 74.75
15. Upper Iowa (12) 72.25
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 29
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2017-18 NSIC All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School............................................ ....Points
1. Minnesota State (18)......................196.00
2. Augustana (18)...............................193.33
3. Winona State (14) ..........................151.50
4. Sioux Falls (17) ..............................146.50
5. Minnesota Duluth (14)....................139.00
6. St. Cloud State (14)........................126.00
7. University of Mary (16) ...................120.00
8. Northern State (15).........................119.83
9. Concordia-St. Paul (15)..................105.50
10. Wayne State (13)..............................93.00
11. MSU Moorhead (16).........................88.33
12. Minot State (16)................................87.50
13. SMSU (16)........................................81.00
14. Upper Iowa (12)................................70.50
15. Bemidji State (13).............................67.00
16. Minnesota Crookston (10)................23.00
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2018-19 NSIC All Sports Competition - Overall Final Standings
Rk School Points
1. Minnesota State (18) 198
2. Augustana (18) 186.5
3. Sioux Falls (17) 149
4. Minnesota Duluth (14) 148.5
5. Winona State (14) 134.5
6. University of Mary (16) 133.5
7. St. Cloud State (14) 132.5
8. Northern State (15) 112
9. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 109.5
10. MSU Moorhead (16) 105.5
11. Minot State (16) 79
12. Wayne State (13) 77.5
13. Bemidji State (13) 76.5
14. SMSU (16) 76
15. Upper Iowa (12) 62
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 27.5
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2019-20 NSIC All Sports Competition - NOT AWARDED

2020-21 NSIC All Sports Competition - NOT AWARDED

2021-22 NSIC ALL SPORTS COMPETITION FINAL STANDINGS
RK School............................................ ....Points
1. Augustana (18).....................................226.3
2. Minnesota State (18) ...........................196.5
3. Winona State (14)...................................142
4. University of Mary (18)............................139
5. Minnesota Duluth (14) .........................134.3
6. Sioux Falls (17).......................................131
7. Concordia-St. Paul (16)....................... 114.5
8. St. Cloud State (12) ................................ 113
9. Northern State (15)..............................110.5
10. Wayne State (14).................................108.5
11. MSU Moorhead (16).................................97
12. Upper Iowa (17) ........................................88
13. Minot State (16)......................................85.5
14. SMSU (17) .............................................82.5
15. Bemidji State (13)...................................81.3
16. Minnesota Crookston (11) .....................27.5
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2022-23 NSIC ALL SPORTS COMPETITION FINAL STANDINGS
RK School............................................ ....Points
1. Augustana (18)........................................ 211
2. Minnesota State (18) .........................209.33
3. Minnesota Duluth (14) ............................142
4. University of Mary (18)............................136
5. Sioux Falls (17).......................................134
6. Winona State (14)................................131.5
7. Wayne State (14).............................120.333
8. Northern State (15)................................. 117
9. St. Cloud State (12) .............................103.5
10. MSU Moorhead (16)...............................103
11. Concordia-St. Paul (16).........................96.5
12. SMSU (17) ................................................96
13. Bemidji State (13)...............................83.833
14. Minot State (16)......................................81.5
15. Upper Iowa (17) .....................................65.5
16. Minnesota Crookston (11) ........................42
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Most recent GPAC standings:

2022-23 GPAC All-Sports Standings:

1. Dordt

2. Concordia

3. Northwestern

4. Doane

5. Morningside

6. Midland

7. Jamestown

8. Hastings

9. Mount Marty

10. Briar Cliff

11. Dakota Wesleyan

12. College of Saint Mary

[Purple Mav Man]

My "no" is more of a "not right now". I've kind of come down on the side that maybe its best to see where things shake out in the next few years. If things remain stable and the NSIC is still looking for a team in 3-5 years, the Jimmies don't really have a better D2 option than the NSIC and I'm quite certain would be happy to join at that time as well.

This is sensible. There is nothing wrong with the NSIC saying, “the timing isn’t right” while also providing feedback for improvement/transition.

[Otis Day]

but... they haven't exactly been competitive despite their enrollment.

I did this a few years back and while I was looking at it from the lens of where my Cougars have landed, I think it's appropriate to dig back up and update. Below is the NSIC All-Sports Standings since USF and Minot joined the league in 2012. I get this is a football board, but Stanger is right, the decision being made by the administrators is so much more than that.

• USF has always been in the top half finishing as high as #3 in 2018-2019 and no lower than 7
• Minot 's best finish was 11th in 2018-2019
• The other most recent NAIA call up is Mary. After years of hovering in the middle of the pack, finishing as low as 12th. Post-pandemic Mary has been 4 twice. Interesting.
• Side note: Despite Bemidji's football success I was shocked to see them so low in this year after year.

Feel free to analyze and cherry pick stats as you see fit but it's interesting to take a look at the numbers and envision where the Jimmies could potentially slot as previously discussed. Does looking at all the schools commitment to all sports over a decade plus reveal that we should even add another school?

2012-13 NSIC /U.S. Bank All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School Points Last Year
1. Minnesota State (17) 190
2. Augustana (17) 164
3. Winona State (14) 148
4. St. Cloud State (17) 142.5
5. Minnesota Duluth (14) 115.33
6. Sioux Falls (16) 106
7. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 98.08
8. University of Mary (17) 97.5
9. Northern State (16) 84
10. Wayne State (15) 81.5
11. Upper Iowa (12) 78.5
12. MSU Moorhead (15) 74.5
13. Minot State (16) 73.75
14. Southwest Minnesota State (12) 65.33
15. Bemidji State (13) 64.5
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 25.5
number of conference sports sponsored in ()

2013-14 NSIC /U.S. Bank All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School............................................ ....Points
1. Minnesota State (17)........................173.5
2. Augustana (17).................................159.5
3. St. Cloud State (17)............................ 132
4. Winona State (14) ............................130.5
5. Minnesota Duluth (14)......................122.5
6. Sioux Falls (16) .............................102.25
7. University of Mary (15) ........................101
8. Concordia-St. Paul (15)......................97.5
9. Southwest Minnesota State (16) ......95.75
10. MSU Moorhead (15)...........................86.5
11. Northern State (14)...........................83.75
12. Wayne State (13)...................................79
13. Upper Iowa (12)..................................78.5
14. Minot State (16).....................................72
15. Bemijdji State (13)............................54.75
16. Minnesota Crookston (10).....................32
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2014-15 NSIC /US Bank All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School Points
1. Augustana (17) 184
2. Minnesota State (17) 176.5
3. Winona State (14) 125.5
4. Minnesota Duluth (14) 125
5. St. Cloud State (17) 121
6. Sioux Falls (16) 108
7. Northern State (14) 99.75
8. MSU Moorhead (15) 98
9. Upper Iowa (12) 93.5
10. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 86.75
11. Wayne State (13) 80.5
12. U-Mary (15) 77
13. SMSU (16) 75.5
14. Minot State (16) 59.75
15. Bemidji State (13) 44.25
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 33
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2015-16 NSIC/US Bank All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School Points
1. Augustana (17) 184.5
2. Minnesota State Mankato (17) 173.5
3. Winona State (14) 128.5
4. St. Cloud State (17) 124.5
5. Minnesota Duluth (14) 119
6. Sioux Falls (16) 111
7. Northern State (14) 105
8. MSU Moorhead (15) 104
9. SMSU (16) 88.5
10. University of Mary (15) 86.5
11. Upper Iowa (12) 85
12. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 83
13. Wayne State (13) 66.75
14. Bemidji State (13) 66
15. Minot State (16) 50.75
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 39.5
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2016-17 NSIC All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School Points
1. Augustana (18) 180
2. Minnesota State (18) 178
3. Winona State (14) 127
4. Minnesota Duluth (14) 119.25
5. St. Cloud State (14) 118
6. MSU Moorhead (16) 108.25
7. Sioux Falls (17) 105.5
8. Northern State (15) 98
9. University of Mary (16) 88
10. SMSU (16) 85.75
11. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 82.5
12. Minot State (16) 77
13. Wayne State (13) 76.75
14. Bemidji State (13) 74.75
15. Upper Iowa (12) 72.25
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 29
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2017-18 NSIC All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School............................................ ....Points
1. Minnesota State (18)......................196.00
2. Augustana (18)...............................193.33
3. Winona State (14) ..........................151.50
4. Sioux Falls (17) ..............................146.50
5. Minnesota Duluth (14)....................139.00
6. St. Cloud State (14)........................126.00
7. University of Mary (16) ...................120.00
8. Northern State (15).........................119.83
9. Concordia-St. Paul (15)..................105.50
10. Wayne State (13)..............................93.00
11. MSU Moorhead (16).........................88.33
12. Minot State (16)................................87.50
13. SMSU (16)........................................81.00
14. Upper Iowa (12)................................70.50
15. Bemidji State (13).............................67.00
16. Minnesota Crookston (10)................23.00
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2018-19 NSIC All Sports Competition - Overall Final Standings
Rk School Points
1. Minnesota State (18) 198
2. Augustana (18) 186.5
3. Sioux Falls (17) 149
4. Minnesota Duluth (14) 148.5
5. Winona State (14) 134.5
6. University of Mary (16) 133.5
7. St. Cloud State (14) 132.5
8. Northern State (15) 112
9. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 109.5
10. MSU Moorhead (16) 105.5
11. Minot State (16) 79
12. Wayne State (13) 77.5
13. Bemidji State (13) 76.5
14. SMSU (16) 76
15. Upper Iowa (12) 62
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 27.5
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2019-20 NSIC All Sports Competition - NOT AWARDED

2020-21 NSIC All Sports Competition - NOT AWARDED

2021-22 NSIC ALL SPORTS COMPETITION FINAL STANDINGS
RK School............................................ ....Points
1. Augustana (18).....................................226.3
2. Minnesota State (18) ...........................196.5
3. Winona State (14)...................................142
4. University of Mary (18)............................139
5. Minnesota Duluth (14) .........................134.3
6. Sioux Falls (17).......................................131
7. Concordia-St. Paul (16)....................... 114.5
8. St. Cloud State (12) ................................ 113
9. Northern State (15)..............................110.5
10. Wayne State (14).................................108.5
11. MSU Moorhead (16).................................97
12. Upper Iowa (17) ........................................88
13. Minot State (16)......................................85.5
14. SMSU (17) .............................................82.5
15. Bemidji State (13)...................................81.3
16. Minnesota Crookston (11) .....................27.5
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2022-23 NSIC ALL SPORTS COMPETITION FINAL STANDINGS
RK School............................................ ....Points
1. Augustana (18)........................................ 211
2. Minnesota State (18) .........................209.33
3. Minnesota Duluth (14) ............................142
4. University of Mary (18)............................136
5. Sioux Falls (17).......................................134
6. Winona State (14)................................131.5
7. Wayne State (14).............................120.333
8. Northern State (15)................................. 117
9. St. Cloud State (12) .............................103.5
10. MSU Moorhead (16)...............................103
11. Concordia-St. Paul (16).........................96.5
12. SMSU (17) ................................................96
13. Bemidji State (13)...............................83.833
14. Minot State (16)......................................81.5
15. Upper Iowa (17) .....................................65.5
16. Minnesota Crookston (11) ........................42
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[Thunder]

My "no" is more of a "not right now". I've kind of come down on the side that maybe its best to see where things shake out in the next few years. If things remain stable and the NSIC is still looking for a team in 3-5 years, the Jimmies don't really have a better D2 option than the NSIC and I'm quite certain would be happy to join at that time as well.

[zimmy21]

Like Minot, right?

Minot was admitted on the back of USF, to make an even number when the conference was looking for stability.

Now the conference commissioner is saying we're comfortable at 13/15. Is that just blowing some, who knows? The point being, it's different circumstances

[Purple Mav Man]

Resume should matter more than enrollment, IMO. I'm not advocating for kicking out Minot by any means, and I'm rootin' for the Red Beavers up there in Southern Canada, but... they haven't exactly been competitive despite their enrollment.

I'd maybe understand it if we weren't a small college conference, but (imo) a college of 5,000 and a college of 2,500 are going to be a lot more similar than a college of 5,000 and a college of 10,000.

You’ve been in school long enough now to understand that students are resources, haven’t you?? :)

[Purple Mav Man]

Resume should matter more than enrollment, IMO. I'm not advocating for kicking out Minot by any means, and I'm rootin' for the Red Beavers up there in Southern Canada, but... they haven't exactly been competitive despite their enrollment.

I'd maybe understand it if we weren't a small college conference, but (imo) a college of 5,000 and a college of 2,500 are going to be a lot more similar than a college of 5,000 and a college of 10,000.

I agree that resume should matter more. Enrollment can be a factor for viability of the school, though. And ability to maintain an athletic department.

Another comparison closer to Sioux Falls is both private. Minot is a state university. Not that it matters at all, just another comparison point. Again, night and day resumes though (again, at least in football). And many of us were tricked into thinking football was a foundation sport and required to be in the conference. Thus, making it important athletically. *cough* St Cloud/Crookston *cough*

[SW_Mustang]

Minot is twice the size and joined the league in 2012, when the league was looking to expand.

Sioux Falls is closer in size. But they also had a resume (in football at least).

Resume should matter more than enrollment, IMO. I'm not advocating for kicking out Minot by any means, and I'm rootin' for the Red Beavers up there in Southern Canada, but... they haven't exactly been competitive despite their enrollment.

I'd maybe understand it if we weren't a small college conference, but (imo) a college of 5,000 and a college of 2,500 are going to be a lot more similar than a college of 5,000 and a college of 10,000.

[Purple Mav Man]

Like Minot, right?

Minot is twice the size and joined the league in 2012, when the league was looking to expand.

Sioux Falls is closer in size. But they also had a resume (in football at least).

[NSU4LIFE]

Like Minot, right?

#BlameButch