Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[vikingfaithful]

This thread is like the sour cream and hummus in the back corner of our fridge, way past EXPIRATION date.

[laker]

This thread is like the sour cream and hummus in the back corner of our fridge, way past EXPIRATION date.

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[MrMustang]

With a lot of scholarships which they won't have at the NCAA level. You know that.

No reason to think Jamestown would not have the NCAA max in volleyball. In fact, Volleyball is one of the few sports that I think every NSIC school is fully funded in, partially because of Title 9, partially because I think the max is 10.

I think one of the reasons the lague is good in volleyball is lots talent aroudn here but also lots of scholarships.

football lacks parity like volleyball, partially because of the scholarship and budget disparity, but also because football always has great disaprity on every level (already discussed on the thread)

[MrMustang]

In volleyball, the NAIA and NCAA both offer 8 scholarships per team. However, NAIA schools have a few key advantages. NAIA schools have more flexibility with their scholarship packages. For example, NAIA schools can offer scholarships that do not count against the 8 scholarship limit due to the exemptions. This would give them a significant advantage over NCAA schools, which are limited to offering 8 scholarships per team and this advantage will disappear.

https://www.jimmiepride.com/sports/w...20230715x34t12

If the authors had done any actual research, they would have asked about future of men's volleyball and soccer, including their JV teams, instead of writing propaganda. Westmont is also moving up to NCAA from NAIA, but they will not be eligible to participate in Division II national postseason competition during the three-year transition process. In an article, Peterson said that the university is waiting on the NCAA to decide whether or not UJ will have to sit out the postseason for a period of time, or if they can immediately be eligible for postseason play. Why would Jamestown be any different than Westmont? Jamestown will be eligible for NSIC just as Westmont is for their conference. Did the author do any research? Did the author ask about the Valley City-Jamestown football game? I hope coaches tell anyone being recruited by Jamestown, they won't be eligible for the NCAA tournament for 3 years.

Thanks for pointing out the volleyball limit is 8 - I thought it was 10

hoops is 10 and most NSIC schools are at 10 in mens and womens hoops

[MrMustang]

My dad ran track at BSU for two years. He always laughed because runners would coast in practice when they went behind the stands and out of the sight of the coaches.

thats some funny stuff !

[MrMustang]

Kinda reminds me of maybe Moorhead but without the popping colors. The visitors side leaves something to be desired for sure..the track feels massive on the end zone areas extended..with the scoreboard way way back. Home side looks better than worse, agreed. I wouldn't call this very nice..but middle of the pack at best. Off the top of my head I would take the following ahead of it..without giving it a lot of thought....Augie, Northern, USF, SMSU, UMD, Winona, Minot..so I would have it in with Moorhead around the middle..and I would have it slightly ahead of MSUM.

generally agree.

although you and I differ on Duluith - I would call it middle of the pack - no suites !

[wscsuperfan]

I wanted to go back to this discussion from four days and eight pages.

There have been people who have asked how an addition of Jamestown could impact decisions made by other schools...such as Wayne, Mankato, etc. While the timing of announcements could lead one to believe that adding Jamestown could directly result in other defections, I think people have their blinders on if they think these discussions haven't already been taking place at those institutions behind closed doors. You might think Jamestown is "the final straw" but if these discussions have happened, the league office surely knows about it. The league knew that Upper Iowa was talking with the GLVC. The league knows that Wayne has been approached by the MIAA. The league knows that Augustana has discussed Division I, and surely there are others that likely have as well.

The commissioner talked about how the league doesn't want to eventually become a smaller league (NOTE: this is also key for anyone who desires a split along state lines). If defections have been discussed before Jamestown even became an option, it is the league's duty to do whatever it takes to stay stable at a good conference size.

Have they?

Not to my knowledge. (Not that I have a ton on inside sources.)

[CollegeFBGuy]

Sharing fields/facilities with the local high school is commonplace across the NSIC. BSU, SMSU, UMary are just a few football programs that share facilities. If I remember correctly, the poking fun of Swisher Field had more with it being off-campus, with no permanent signage, and in a wind tunnel.

i don’t think all of the “sharing facilities” are equal though. UMary is a city owned facility that is used by multiple teams/schools or whatever in Bismarck. My understanding is they have concessions on both sides for some of those HS games. coaches made it sound like they don’t have tons of access to it, other than game days.

BSU doesn’t really “share the facility”, other than allowing the HS team to play home games there on Friday nights, as long as there isn’t a conflict. BSU controls the scheduling and all of their practices are there. There are no Lumberjack logos or anything, other than flags they put up for the HS games. The HS teams actually use locker rooms at Bemidji HS and bus over to BSU…we were visitors there a couple of times.

I’m not sure what SMSU has going on, but I know they host some section and state playoff games.

The areas that have these college stadiums benefit from having a good regional stadium to host bigger games

[CollegeFBGuy]

Fair enough and it would not look out of place at the NSIC level. I remember Dakota State had released a rendering of a new stadium they are looking to build that was really impressive. Is that still a go?

Is the UMary stadium, on campus, a “go” or still in the planning stages? I thought there were drawings, but I don’t remember hearing if the funding was set. Seems like a cool campus, would be nice to have the games there. It’s hard to believe the program really isn’t that old

[Matt Witwicki]

I think there always needs to be context. Many of us liked Harms-Eischeid Stadium because, while it's not a 5,000 capacity stadium, it is very suitable for the needs of the university while still visually holding its appeal compared to other stadiums. Upper Iowa doesn't have a track around the field, but otherwise it feels similar to me from a distance.

It's funny you mention the visitor side as a complaint, because that seems to be the setup most people long for at SMSU in order for Mattke to move into a new tier.

Well, the SMSU visitors side is kinduva joke....so any improvement would be an upgrade.

[UMary1]

Is the UMary stadium, on campus, a “go” or still in the planning stages? I thought there were drawings, but I don’t remember hearing if the funding was set. Seems like a cool campus, would be nice to have the games there. It’s hard to believe the program really isn’t that old

The process is in phase II and got 12 million last year. Here is a news report, looking forward to having a stadium on campus.


https://www.kfyrtv.com/2022/02/10/un...2030-campaign/

[SW_Mustang]

I’m not sure what SMSU has going on, but I know they host some section and state playoff games.

The areas that have these college stadiums benefit from having a good regional stadium to host bigger games

MHS uses the REC for all home games, though no permanent logos are used anywhere. I think the MHS soccer also uses the REC, but I'm not sure.

Given that Marshall is a small town, it doesn't make much sense to have two football stadiums - especially since the HS is right across the highway. Which is ironic because Marshall does have two football stadiums but one is used primarily for track stuff.

It does get used for postseason HS football and intramural stuff. Then on occasion it's used for SMSU softball (not sure about MHS), marching band competitions, and a concert once in a blue moon or so.

I know Brookings HS uses DJDS for their home field as well. It's quite common in the Midwest it seems.

[SW_Mustang]

Well, the SMSU visitors side is kinduva joke....so any improvement would be an upgrade.

As an SMSU guy, I totally agree. It's bad. Major eyesore too.

The original renderings had a huge visitor's section that was set into the berm, but we never got to Phase II of the REC, much like the R/A facility.

Stairwells to the second level were also enclosed and the concourse was a little more developed in the second phase. Be nice if we could find the money to do all of that but that's a dead wish at this point.

[UMary1]

MHS uses the REC for all home games, though no permanent logos are used anywhere. I think the MHS soccer also uses the REC, but I'm not sure.

Given that Marshall is a small town, it doesn't make much sense to have two football stadiums - especially since the HS is right across the highway. Which is ironic because Marshall does have two football stadiums but one is used primarily for track stuff.

It does get used for postseason HS football and intramural stuff. Then on occasion it's used for SMSU softball (not sure about MHS), marching band competitions, and a concert once in a blue moon or so.

I know Brookings HS uses DJDS for their home field as well. It's quite common in the Midwest it seems.

Sort of off topic but what do you expect from SMSU heading into Bismarck on Saturday? Really glad Mary got a win vs. Minot but couldn't believe my eyes giving up 20 points in the last 6 minutes of play. Defence really needs an overhaul, DL lineman were being pushed back 10-20 yrs on each play. The offence has surprised me, Mary was able to get a 3 Star QB from University of Houston transfer Sofian Moussad, he has played well and has been scrambling for his life at times but he has a nice connection with University of Idaho WR transfer Mujeeb Rufai, Rbs Bankhead and Moore have been a great combo. If Mary can get a nice recruiting haul and keep the guys mentioned good things can happen, some big IFS though. One thing is forsure they need to fix their defence.

[SW_Mustang]

Sort of off topic but what do you expect from SMSU heading into Bismarck on Saturday? Really glad Mary got a win vs. Minot but couldn't believe my eyes giving up 20 points in the last 6 minutes of play. Defence really needs an overhaul, DL lineman were being pushed back 10-20 yrs on each play. The offence has surprised me, Mary was able to get a 3 Star QB from University of Houston transfer Sofian Moussad, he has played well and has been scrambling for his life at times but he has a nice connection with University of Idaho WR transfer Mujeeb Rufai, Rbs Bankhead and Moore have been a great combo. If Mary can get a nice recruiting haul and keep the guys mentioned good things can happen, some big IFS though. One thing is forsure they need to fix their defence.

Not much, honestly. I think it will be a close game. We can't seem to get all sides to click. Last week our QB did well with an open field but as soon as we got deep into Mavland and we didn't have room to work with, everything fell apart. TOs and bad snaps have plagued us. Was also not super impressed with the defense either - a handful of big gains that shouldn't have happened.

It could honestly go either way this week.

Now that I think about it, I've been to two SMSU games this year and only saw one TD - and it was a rushing one, from the QB no less.