Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[SW_Mustang]

Couple more while I thought of them -

The University of Michigan came under fire for price gouging the women's club team for ice time at Yost Arena in the last few years. Notable because there are no NCAA teams in the state of Michigan. Goes to show what the relationship between an ACHA team and the university can be like.

The University of Minnesota Law School operates their own hockey team known as the "Fighting Mondales" that are intramural - however they also play in a tournament every year against the law schools of Mitchell-Hamline and North Dakota for the Golden Gavel trophy.

[SW_Mustang]

Was not aware that so many club programs existed. Do they receive any support from schools and are they required to be students.

It's complicated. Here's the insanely long, boring, technical answer.

A varsity sport is an organization that is owned and operated by a university. They provide the funding, coaches, facilities, etc., they collect the revenues - all that stuff.

A club is a student-run organization that is seperate from the university, but is granted official recognition by the university. University involvement varies but generally speaking they provide a stipend and faculty advisor, as well as guidelines to maintain that recognition. This goes for the accounting club, and the club baseball team. So long as a club follows the rules, the university is usually pretty hands off.

This is where it gets confusing. The term club hockey is used to refer to any hockey program that is not a member of the NCAA (or NE-10 conference). The biggest association these teams belong too is the ACHA - American Club Hockey Association. The ACHA was founded to oversee club hockey and provide a playoff structure. Most of these teams are just that- student clubs, but not all of them.

Somewhere along the line - schools figured out they could operate a varsity program under the ACHA. Technically - Minot State's ACHA 1 program is a varsity sport. It is owned, operated, and funded by the university and as such falls under Title 9. However it comes as at a greatly reduced cost as an NCAA team would. Despite not being a "club hockey" program by definition, it's called that for the sake of simplicity.

The flipside is - some schools like UNLV figured out they could have a hockey program comparable to the NCAA organized as a student club that is entirely privately funded and not subject to Title 9. UNLV's budget dwarfs Minot State's, the team is probably as good as most average NCAA programs - and the university spends very little on it.

Crookston is the college hockey Twiglight Zone where nothing makes sense and never has but they do it anyway. UMC is a club team by definition as it's set up to be that way. However, UMC's coach is on the university payroll as the "Club Hockey Head Coach" and the team falls under the jurisdiction of the athletic department. I think what they did was create a faculty position whose only job responsibility is to be an advisor to the student club that the university itself set up and manages. Oofta!

There's an insanely long answer nobody wanted.

[debergfan]

Jamestown D2 record as of 10/9
Men's Soccer 0-6, 0-4 in-region
Women's Soccer 1-7, 1-6 in-region
Women's Volleyball 6-8, 1-6 in-region
Football 1-4, 1-4 in-region

8-19 in D2, 3-20 in-region

[zimmy21]

Depends. When you look at some of the D-I teams, especially the big schools, they get support from the schools, almost treating it as a NCAA Varsity sport, awarding scholarships and the like. We billeted for a few years for our local NA3HL team, and a couple of our billets visited Iowa State. They had a strong program with a strong financial backing. I have heard of programs like Oklahoma, Arizona, UNLV, etc., travel by plane to some of their contests.

When you start getting into the lower D-1, and especially the D-2 and D-3 teams, it is more like a pay to play situation. They may get a little help from the school and may get to use school transportation. Otherwise, it is basically playing for the love of the game.

My cousins kid plays on Embry-Riddle's D2 squad. Surprised the hell out of me.

[Millsy]

Was not aware that so many club programs existed. Do they receive any support from schools and are they required to be students.

Depends. When you look at some of the D-I teams, especially the big schools, they get support from the schools, almost treating it as a NCAA Varsity sport, awarding scholarships and the like. We billeted for a few years for our local NA3HL team, and a couple of our billets visited Iowa State. They had a strong program with a strong financial backing. I have heard of programs like Oklahoma, Arizona, UNLV, etc., travel by plane to some of their contests.

When you start getting into the lower D-1, and especially the D-2 and D-3 teams, it is more like a pay to play situation. They may get a little help from the school and may get to use school transportation. Otherwise, it is basically playing for the love of the game.

[Tundra_Man]

Box Elder bugs are present around Box Elder Trees a member of the maple family. The ugly black and orange bugs eat the seeds of the tree.They try to enter homes when it's gets cold. We rented a house while in college, which had a box elder tree beside the driveway. Bugs were a nuisance coming in home.

"If being outdoors is so great, why do all the bugs want to get into my house?" - Jim Gaffigan

[vikingfaithful]

The Jimmies Men's Club Hockey Team checks in at #6 in the opening D-1 Club National Poll with a 4-0 record on the year.

Minot State (0-0) checks in at #3, while UMary is at #14 with a 4-2 record.

Looks like D-2 Club has Moorhead, Bemidji, Augustana, Jamestown, St. Cloud, Crookston, Duluth and Mankato. No opening season poll, yet.

I didn't see any NSIC schools at the D-3 Club Level.

Was not aware that so many club programs existed. Do they receive any support from schools and are they required to be students.

[vikingfaithful]

Passed through a town in the Marshall area a few weeks ago that named the towns festival Box Elder Bug days...one of the least appealing names I've ever come across.

I saw enough of those during my high school era, so that is gonna be a hard pass for me.

Box Elder bugs are present around Box Elder Trees a member of the maple family. The ugly black and orange bugs eat the seeds of the tree.They try to enter homes when it's gets cold. We rented a house while in college, which had a box elder tree beside the driveway. Bugs were a nuisance coming in home.

[Millsy]

The Jimmies Men's Club Hockey Team checks in at #6 in the opening D-1 Club National Poll with a 4-0 record on the year.

Minot State (0-0) checks in at #3, while UMary is at #14 with a 4-2 record.

Looks like D-2 Club has Moorhead, Bemidji, Augustana, Jamestown, St. Cloud, Crookston, Duluth and Mankato. No opening season poll, yet.

I didn't see any NSIC schools at the D-3 Club Level.

[SW_Mustang]

Passed through a town in the Marshall area a few weeks ago that named the towns festival Box Elder Bug days...one of the least appealing names I've ever come across.

I saw enough of those during my high school era, so that is gonna be a hard pass for me.

That would be Minneota, Minnesota - a town so nice, Michelle Bachmann named it twice!

Ghent's Belgian-American Days is the Met Gala of town celebrations in the greater Marshall area. Nothing but waffles and Rolle Bolle. It's why Marshall's nickname is "The Gateway to Ghent."

[NSU4LIFE]

Passed through a town in the Marshall area a few weeks ago that named the towns festival Box Elder Bug days...one of the least appealing names I've ever come across.

I saw enough of those during my high school era, so that is gonna be a hard pass for me.

[SW_Mustang]

Large lake, surrounded by trees

Yeah there's definitely a handful in the area.

I always thought it was cool how UMD is a sea-grant institution.

[CollegeFBGuy]

UMD has a fairly large lake next to 'em.

Explains a lot.

Large lake, surrounded by trees

[CollegeFBGuy]

Don't forget beans.

Corn, soybeans, sunflowers, edible beans, carrots, potatoes, sugar beets, wheat, alfalfa...lots of crops in the NSIC lands!

[SW_Mustang]

Don't forget beans.

Pequot Lakes, Minnesota is known for Bean Hole Days.

What's a bean hole, you ask? It's a hole with beans in it! What else would it be?