Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[Stanger86]

What is the College Sports world going to look like in 10 years? Are you being proactive or reactive? I'd much rather my school be proactive.

But yet, you want the NSIC to be reactive. If the landscape is going to change as much as you think, I think it's better to build up the numbers in your conference so it doesn't turn into another GNAC or NCC situation. That's exactly what the NSIC is trying to do, keep the league healthy so that it never gets to that point.

[Purple Mav Man]

Would they though? Or would fear rule the day? In all reality what's the difference to a school if you win a conference championship in D2, as opposed to bottom of the pack in a low to mid major at D1?

What is the College Sports world going to look like in 10 years? Are you being proactive or reactive? I'd much rather my school be proactive.

Yes. Why would they do whats’s worse for the school/their job? You seem to think that the ADs in the conference are lazy and scared, for some reason? Why? Because they have a sh!t ton more info to make these decisions than you but you don’t agree with them? The difference is a bunch of money. The budget changes significantly with a move up. And while there is little to no income in D2, being a bottom feeder or lower tier wouldn’t increase the revenue enough to offset the cost. Also, the Mavs wouldn’t be in a mid-major conference immediately by any means.

Being proactive doesn’t necessarily mean a move up. Since the landscape in 10 years is unknown, perhaps D2 will basically be the D1AAA in 10 years. At the end of the day, I’m going to cheer for the Mavs no matter the division. But it’s way more fun to be a successful program than not. The days of getting beat up weren’t fun.

[Purple Mav Man]

But yet, you want the NSIC to be reactive. If the landscape is going to change as much as you think, I think it's better to build up the numbers in your conference so it doesn't turn into another GNAC or NCC situation. That's exactly what the NSIC is trying to do, keep the league healthy so that it never gets to that point.

Watering down the conference for no reason isn’t building it up. As discussed at length in this thread and other threads as well, there is NOWHERE for these North & South Dakota schools to go. No need to panic right now. Is actually is a situation where a wait and see seems appropriate.

[SW_Mustang]

Let's just move everyone up to D1 lol. Get rid of divisions entirely. Then everyone can get a piece of March Madness lol.

[UISguy23]

"Better" is subjective. Personally, I think it's "better" to say where one is reasonably competitive across the most sports. For some, "better" is the financial incentive that comes with the possibility of a one-and-done appearance in the NCAA tournament.

In MSU's case, first and foremost I want nothing to be done that hurts hockey. PFL football and Summit League basketball are not worth ruining the premier program at the school. Secondly, they can be reasonably competitive in football/basketball/baseball/volleyball at D2, which I have severe doubt they can maintain at D1. Baseball would be competent, the others not so much.

Alot of current d2 powers would still be dominant at the d1 level to a degree. Hell smaller schools like VCU butler wichita st. Made deep tourney runs and they aren't deep pocketed like UNC, Kansas etc. Personally alot of it has to do with coaching. Coastal Carolina won the CWS in what 2016?

[UISguy23]

This whole notion that smaller schools can't compete at d1 is crap

[UISguy23]

Also FGCU had a pretty great run their first year eligible. Ill be fair alot of NSIC schools probably wouldn't fair to well in D1 because they are all focused on hockey which isn't as popular as it should be IMO

[Purple Mav Man]

This whole notion that smaller schools can't compete at d1 is crap

Where does it say that? I haven’t read anyone say that small schools can’t compete at D1

[Purple Mav Man]

Also FGCU had a pretty great run their first year eligible. Ill be fair alot of NSIC schools probably wouldn't fair to well in D1 because they are all focused on hockey which isn't as popular as it should be IMO

So your plan is to hope for a deep basketball tourney run and then fall back into obscurity like the schools you’ve mentioned (VCU, Butler, FGCU and Wichita St). Wichita St had some mild sustained success, but the guy that achieved that was….told to leave.

[SW_Mustang]

Also FGCU had a pretty great run their first year eligible. Ill be fair alot of NSIC schools probably wouldn't fair to well in D1 because they are all focused on hockey which isn't as popular as it should be IMO

I hear FGCU get brought up in these convos a lot. That was what, 10 years ago?

How is USC-Upstate and Chicago State doing?

[SW_Mustang]

So your plan is to hope for a deep basketball tourney run and then fall back into obscurity like the schools you’ve mentioned (VCU, Butler, FGCU and Wichita St). Wichita St had some mild sustained success, but the guy that achieved that was….told to leave.

The new reality is any time one of these small programs achieves some success, the bulk of the players and coaching staff are going to leave. St. Peter's is a great example.

And the day UCONN wins the FBS title or USC-Upstate wins the D1 basketball championship, I'll change my tune.

[SW_Mustang]

This whole notion that smaller schools can't compete at d1 is crap

List of NCAA Division I men's basketball champions - Wikipedia
FBS Football Championship History | NCAA.com

I know winning championships is not the only criteria for being competitive, but it should always be the goal.

[Purple Mav Man]

I hear FGCU get brought up in these convos a lot. That was what, 10 years ago?

How is USC-Upstate and Chicago State doing?

As far as FGCU, many years ago, the basketball run certainly gave them national awareness. But their campus/location is what drove their enrollment increase.

[SW_Mustang]

As far as FGCU, many years ago, the basketball run certainly gave them national awareness. But their campus/location is what drove their enrollment increase.

Yeah. I remember even thinking it would be cool to go there at the time. They had like beachside hot tubs or something.

But I don't think I could have ever attended a school that didn't have football for my undergrad. I enjoyed it too much.

[SW_Mustang]

Anecdotal situations always seem to be the biggest argument regarding whether or not a school should move up. There are 10-20 UC-Upstates for every 1 Butler. The odds that a small school can simply move up, be truly competitive, and maintain it - especially post-portal/NIL is insanely slim. Possible? Absolutely. Likely? No.

I mean, they had to create an entire subdivision of D1 for football because the best small school in the nation would have zero chance of sniffing the real D1 football title.

Baseball is a bit different because it's a regional sport - due to weather. Coastal and Fullerton have a much better chance of winning than Minnesota and Michigan do. I used to follow BB quite heavily in high school, so I'd know. Even still, the SEC still dominates for the most part.

As for MSU - they have a D1 sport that they can be a legit competitor in once the Hasty fallout settles and they can compete again. Why risk that to play FCS football and Summit League basketball?