Police presents at upcoming D2 Football Games?

[boatcapt]

I've been a fan of the idea to require all incoming LEOs to have a Bachelor's Degree, possibly even before police training. At the very least it would weed out some unscrupulous individuals.

How would a college degree weed out "unscrupulous individuals??"

But according to the Police Foundation 56% of police officers in the US have college degrees.

Average starting salary for a police officer is $31,000...That's $14.90/hr. For comparison, a first year lawyer in a firm averages $135,000.

[Eagle74]

I'm in favor of increasing police officer's pay (those without any history of controversial confrontations) to at least 25% higher than the average of local teachers, especially those at under performing schools.

[SW_Mustang]

[Turbonium]

I think a good place to start would be to establish nation wide standards for police training. As it stands right now, standards are state by state and vary wildly. And this goes for LE leadership and management also. Shocking that in many places, there is no requirement for additional training and certification for officers/deputy sheriffs moving into leadership/supervision positions.

There is also a LOT ov variation on officer starting pay. As with almost every profession, if you pay lower for people coming in, you are going to get a lower quality of people coming through the front door.!

I'm sure no one can/will argue this as we see yet another story of a police officer shooting an unarmed individual in the back numerous times.

[boatcapt]

Somalia has been in various stages of civil war since 1986, so this also is a really great comparison.

https://www.wbtv.com/2020/06/13/some...y-train-years/
https://polis.osce.org/country-profiles/norway

Why not look at training to start though? I wonder what quality of police officer we would get if we expected them to train for 3 years rather than 16 weeks? I had to train about 16 weeks for my current job and it is nowhere near as potentially life threatening for myself or others if I make a mistake. I have never "wore the uniform" so maybe this is just stupid though...

I think a good place to start would be to establish nation wide standards for police training. As it stands right now, standards are state by state and vary wildly. And this goes for LE leadership and management also. Shocking that in many places, there is no requirement for additional training and certification for officers/deputy sheriffs moving into leadership/supervision positions.

There is also a LOT ov variation on officer starting pay. As with almost every profession, if you pay lower for people coming in, you are going to get a lower quality of people coming through the front door.!

[Turbonium]

Somalia has been in various stages of civil war since 1986, so this also is a really great comparison.

https://www.wbtv.com/2020/06/13/some...y-train-years/
https://polis.osce.org/country-profiles/norway

Why not look at training to start though? I wonder what quality of police officer we would get if we expected them to train for 3 years rather than 16 weeks? I had to train about 16 weeks for my current job and it is nowhere near as potentially life threatening for myself or others if I make a mistake. I have never "wore the uniform" so maybe this is just stupid though...

[SW_Mustang]

It's amazing how many experts there are about what training, skills, or even what an LEO job really entails. If you haven't wore the uniform, you have no real idea.

Seeing as how my tax dollars help subsidize said training, and salaries - I don't mind having an opinion on the situation.

[Eagle74]

Recent history show examples in countries where their police force were either defunded, scaled back enforcement, or both. These decisions were made in Somolia and Zimbabwe. Both are now in ruins with a horrible quality of life with rampant violent crime, as compared to what they were prior. Even with a few changes that may be needed to be made, I wonder what percentage of Americans really want to live with the hell those people now have to deal with 24 hours a day?

[Turbonium]

It's amazing how many experts there are about what training, skills, or even what an LEO job really entails. If you haven't wore the uniform, you have no real idea.

Lol. The training required isn't really that difficult to find out, the thought that one must do something in order to be aware of any details about it is what's really amazing. The training that police receive in this country is obviously inadequate.

[GVSU89]

It's amazing how many experts there are about what training, skills, or even what an LEO job really entails. If you haven't wore the uniform, you have no real idea.

[Horror Child]

Sounds like a single radical with no decision making ability.

Not something I'm going to lose sleep over, but youbdo you I guess.

Look at that - you and I have common ground!

Earlier we were told that "Defunding the police means no more military equipment, not taking police off the streets." It's just not the case. "We're talking about abolishing the police."

Perhaps the individual does not have decision making ability, but the DNC felt the message had to heard.

[Wildcat Khan]

Sure, those exact same things happen with over-funded and under-trained police though so I'm not real sure what you want to compare.

I'm talking about the area where there was no police for about a month. A Seattle council woman turned the area initially over to them. I'm not sure over-funded and under-trained go hand in hand, but I will say under-trained is a problem. Seattle though also has had a homeless problem for years.

[Turbonium]

In that case, can we compare it to the occupied zone in Seattle which had murder, theft, rape, and vandalism in it? Even with a black female chief of police wanting to go in and clean it up.

Sure, those exact same things happen with over-funded and under-trained police though so I'm not real sure what you want to compare.

[Wildcat Khan]

Are we comparing ourselves to Venezuela and Mexico now? Can we possibly compare our police to like countries? It seems anytime it fits an agenda we are okay with comparing to what we otherwise view as lesser countries rather than striving to improve.

In that case, can we compare it to the occupied zone in Seattle which had murder, theft, rape, and vandalism in it? Even with a black female chief of police wanting to go in and clean it up.

[ccmoney8]

Interestingly enough, it wasn't all that long ago that Caracas Venezuela was one of the most successful, prosperous, and safest cities in South America, to which many described as the Crown Jewel. It was in fact similar to many nice American cities. https://www.travelsafe-abroad.com/venezuela/caracas/

Also, it wasn't all that long ago that Tijuana (while still a bit quirky) and surrounding areas were safe enough to be a major spring break destination for a lot of American college students, those days are now gone due to the pullback of police presence and enforcement of crimes. Examples are helpful in predicting potential changes when the tip of the tail is able to start wagging the dog.

Carnival cruise line used to stop in Caracas, in the 90s. I went with my family when I was in high school. And I spent a great day in Tijuana with a girlfriend I had at the time, summer before 9/11. Just drove down and back from L.A. in my pickup, no passport or anything.