11-year Reuninon

[Purple Mav Man]

Re: 11-year Reuninon

If everything but a few bad apples mean so much, go back and celebrate it. As I said in a previous post. For me, celebrating what was a great season should be enough to bring people back even if there are some hard feelings. But that's up to them.

Got it. So if the player that was assaulted sexually was your son, nephew or good friend, you'd tell them to suck it up and go. Fall in line and celebrate that sports championship, right?

Just seems you have taken a clear side and are not interested in hearing the other side. At all. No matter how valid their concerns.

[WSUDieHard]

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So far sounds like only 3 guys are coming back. Coincidence that the 2 assistants got invited and its the 1st official day of basketball as well....GREAT planning by WSU ADepartmen. Lots of people on Twitter saying the AD should resign.

[wsuguy87]

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Got it. So if the player that was assaulted sexually was your son, nephew or good friend, you'd tell them to suck it up and go. Fall in line and celebrate that sports championship, right?

Just seems you have taken a clear side and are not interested in hearing the other side. At all. No matter how valid their concerns.

I don't think that's what I am doing at all. I've said they have every right to not show up if they don't like. If it were me, I'd go back and celebrate the championship, not the coach. Not the administration that's there now-the team that I played on. But, as I've said, that's just me. What I wouldn't be doing is talking off the record to reporters. But again, that's just me.

And for the record, I hear/understand everyone's concerns. And I respect them. I just think you can separate the actions of a few and celebrate something that was pretty awesome.

[OldSchool]

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If there was an award for understatement of the century, I think calling someone being fired for alerting their boss' boss about their boss' criminal actions against a direct subordinate "bad apples" would have to be the GOAT.

That is not why John got fired, he got into a pissing match with the AD over another petty matter and lost. They both overacted, said things they shouldn't have and it led to this. The AD should have taken the higher ground but yet again showed he is in the wrong position. I do not support the new AD in any way and am not happy with he way he is running the department. Worst AD hire WSU could have made. Leaf isn't hiding either, saw him on my last trip to Winona.

[OldSchool]

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Got it. So if the player that was assaulted sexually was your son, nephew or good friend, you'd tell them to suck it up and go. Fall in line and celebrate that sports championship, right?

Just seems you have taken a clear side and are not interested in hearing the other side. At all. No matter how valid their concerns.

I think why you didn't see more action taken was the more people asked questions about the players story it started to fall apart a bit. I feel bad for the kid, not a position anyone should be in but I don't think the case was open and shut either. Nobody wins in this one and the school handled the situation wrong and still is.

[OldSchool]

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So far sounds like only 3 guys are coming back. Coincidence that the 2 assistants got invited and its the 1st official day of basketball as well....GREAT planning by WSU AD department. Lots of people on Twitter saying the AD should resign.

We could only hope...

[OldSchool]

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There is a difference. It just reminded me of people who come on here proclaiming to be insiders.

I don't want your help.

I don't think you need anyone's help...

[OldSchool]

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You bet I'm back. I will keep coming back until they come clean and release those in the higher positions that handled this situation so poorly.

Your just like everyone else at WSU you want this to go away and pretend like nothing happened. How can you support an administration like they have? How can you support a coach that doesn't reach out to alumni? Is that the type of people you want representing WSU?

Attending games and events doesn't mean you support the administration. The young men and women are the ones I go to support not the AD. I hope you let the school know how you feel as well but I don't think they will listen...

[MrMustang]

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Leaf is a good coach? By what standards do you associate this by? Is it because he won multiple championship? Did you not stop for a second and think that maybe those assistant coaches were running the show until they couldn't handle him any longer? That man is a fraud. He couldn't even make breakfast when recruits came to visit on weekends the last 3-4 year because he was passed out at his home. Just like the story said everyone knew what was going on but what were they to do because the man was wining games and titles. Now look at this mess left behind.

On top of it they hired a coach with no balls who can't even come out to the alumni direct and say he is going to change this tone. He had been there a year and yet once has he reached out to alumni personally. What the heck it that? They need to clean house. AD and all coaches. Those that think Malvik is liked by alumni are idiots. He doesn't even have support of him cause he is gutless. Look at the kids they have coming in they are D3 caliber (sorry guys if you are reading this but you are you should be happy to just be at wsu cause you should be at UWL). It's embarrassing all around but they should win 20 game this year easily. So let's see what this staff can do because after this senior class there is nothing of promise left.

i said he was a good coach. Not a good person

[wsufamily]

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How come you don't post on anything other than running WSU through the mud? See, asking leading and loaded questions is fun!

I have no problem answer this question but I have not heard an answer from you yet on the ones I have asked.

I am running WSU through the mud because everything they did with that situation was handled wrong. So until those that handled the situation wrong are no longer employed at WSU than I will continue to run them through the mud.

You say John got fired over a petty issue, if it was petty then why did the AD fire him? (it was over camp money owed to John that he wasn't getting which he worked for and should get so he has a right to ask about it and be upset) Shouldn't he have been the better person and took this matter properly by talking to John and working on a proper resolution instead of firing him? Is that not what a good leader does? Especially when its a guy who was doing the right things by attempting to let these players speak. Is he in the wrong for reporting a recruiting violation which occurred when he played with a recruit who came on a visit after he took the order from Malvik to play with the kid even though he knew it was a violation? By the way that still has not been reported by WSU and the NSIC to the NCAA. The NSIC is aware of it as well. On top of all this what John did for the university back when he was a player he deserves to be treated properly.

Finally you say you could come back and celebrate if you were a player. I don't think you understand these players are not just showing up because of that situation with Leaf and then the firing of John even though some are not showing in support of John. The other reasons they are not showing up because its a 11 year reunion, the head coach has not personally reached out to any of them, the AD and other administration in place has not reached out personally to any of them, no alumni game was held and they coaches made up a excuse of not sending the information out to the right guys (they have a former alumni on staff who has Facebook, Twitter ect that could reach easily 40 plus alumni on there to let them know but he didn't do that.) The team is eligible to get into the HOF but they are not, David Zellmann not getting into the HOF but a track runner who is getting in. All of that are reasons why they are not showing up.

[wsufamily]

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Attending games and events doesn't mean you support the administration. The young men and women are the ones I go to support not the AD. I hope you let the school know how you feel as well but I don't think they will listen...

Your 100% correct. Its about the players and the players families. Supporting them and showing them the appreciation for all the hours they put into the sport and school while at WSU. The AD and staff do not support these people and that is what is so sad.

[wsufamily]

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i said he was a good coach. Not a good person

Oh I got ya but he wasn't doing much coaching. Like many on here caught on over the years he was good at yelling towards officials but not much after that.

[fanofnsic]

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Oh I got ya but he wasn't doing much coaching. Like many on here caught on over the years he was good at yelling towards officials but not much after that.

Come on he was a good coach until the last 2-3 years when he lost control with his alcohol abuse. The assistants did have a good amount to do with the success but without everything having a roll and doing there part including Mike they would not have achieved what they did. Mike did a good job of motivating and getting the players to buy into the "team" system. Sure he was not the best X and Os guys but that is why he had those assistants and allowed them to have a good amount of control when it came to scouting, recruiting and play/situational calling.

I understand your bitter and I am as well. Nothing has been handled properly with the alumni but its not just the 2006 group. Its all the alumni that have not been treated well. Hopefully the staff changes some of that and starts to approach all the alumni and lets them know they are important and needed. I am expecting big things this year from them. They have a great core coming back but will need to have to find some type of depth. If they can stay healthy they should finish top 3 overall in the league with a NCAA regional bid

[wcbsas]

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The celebration event was handled poorly by the administration. Given all that has happened, and all that has been said (publically and privately) to do this a half-year later at a football game just isn't smart. You have a lot of bitter feelings all around and you're probably not sure you want some of the people involved to show up anyway.

There are a lot of guys Brown, Gove, Henderson, Flowers, Stromer, Robinson ... plus others I'm sure who couldn't make it during the basketball season even if they wanted to come.

The administration missed an opportunity to put the past behind them. They missed an opportunity to move on.

The '08 anniversary is coming up in a year or so ... I say the administration starts NOW figuring out how to make something work. Not just for the players or the fans but for the school and the program.

[fanofnsic]

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The celebration event was handled poorly by the administration. Given all that has happened, and all that has been said (publically and privately) to do this a half-year later at a football game just isn't smart. You have a lot of bitter feelings all around and you're probably not sure you want some of the people involved to show up anyway.

There are a lot of guys Brown, Gove, Henderson, Flowers, Stromer, Robinson ... plus others I'm sure who couldn't make it during the basketball season even if they wanted to come.

The administration missed an opportunity to put the past behind them. They missed an opportunity to move on.

The '08 anniversary is coming up in a year or so ... I say the administration starts NOW figuring out how to make something work. Not just for the players or the fans but for the school and the program.

I agree it would be smart to start working on it now. But I am sure that won't happen. This one is so poorly set up. They are not doing any sort of formal gathering for the players and family. They are having a tailgate for them before the game and are only paying for the player and 1 additional person so any additional family members have to pay for that lunch and its the same way for the games. They set up a block of hotel rooms for them that they must pay for but those were all full by the time they sent out the letter. Its amazing how Eisner doesn't reach out to any alumni, not just the 06-08 teams but all alumni. I don't get it at all.