Top teams in other regions

[Knightmoves]

Made up this thread to talk about results from national title contenders outside of the Midwest.

I noticed that WLU pulled out a 3 point win at home against the mighty Shepherd Lambs (don' know their real nickname, but it seems appropriate). I'm not sure that WLU is anything close to as good as advertised. Their season stats so far indicate that they are not a particularly good three point shooting team, which would seem to me to seriously hamper their style. Their offensive stats are currently grotesquely over inflated by scoring 130+ points against a couple of terrible teams. They only scored 67 last night. Makes me want to repeat my advice to the entire Mountain East, slow the ball down, don't turn it over, and you have a chance to beat WLU. Wouldn't be surprised to see WLU lose on Sunday to Fairmont.

Of course, I clearly don't know what I'm talking about because my preseason #1, Lincoln Memorial, lost their second game of the season the other night against Carson-Newman (who is a good team, but one the most talented team in D2 should beat).

[schnautza]

Re: Top teams in other regions

I know it's early and it's a small sample set, but currently my top 50 teams by performance indicators are as follows:

1	Northwest Missouri State	Central	MIAA	6-0	100.00%	18.50	55.83%	53.23%
2	Colorado School of Mines	South Central	RMAC	4-0	100.00%	18.25	47.50%	65.55%
3	Wheeling Jesuit	Atlantic	MEC	4-0	100.00%	18.00	47.50%	63.60%
4	Chaminade	West	PWC	3-0	100.00%	17.67	47.62%	55.22%
5	Ferris State	Midwest	GLIAC	4-1	80.00%	17.20	59.33%	45.55%
6	Barry	South	SSC	4-0	100.00%	17.00	44.29%	68.04%
6	Saginaw Valley State	Midwest	GLIAC	4-0	100.00%	17.00	43.33%	60.54%
6	Central Washington	West	GNAC	3-1	75.00%	17.00	59.58%	44.01%
6	Arkansas-Monticello	Central	GAC	3-0	100.00%	17.00	47.22%	62.26%
10	Southern Indiana	Midwest	GLVC	4-0	100.00%	16.75	40.77%	58.54%
11	Missouri S&T	Midwest	GLVC	3-0	100.00%	16.67	47.78%	61.26%
12	Southern New Hampshire	East	NE10	5-0	100.00%	16.60	46.19%	50.93%
13	Western Washington	West	GNAC	4-0	100.00%	16.50	41.67%	49.66%
13	California Baptist	West	PWC	6-0	100.00%	16.50	48.08%	55.51%
13	Fort Lewis	South Central	RMAC	1-1	50.00%	16.50	81.94%	36.64%
16	Columbus State	Southeast	PBC	3-0	100.00%	16.33	34.44%	71.11%
16	Southwest Minnesota State	Central	NSIC	6-0	100.00%	16.33	31.67%	58.82%
18	Queens (N.C.)	Southeast	SAC	6-0	100.00%	16.17	39.37%	57.69%
19	UC San Diego	West	CCAA	6-1	85.71%	16.00	48.52%	56.79%
19	Drury	Midwest	GLVC	3-0	100.00%	16.00	44.44%	60.23%
19	Cal State San Marcos	West	CCAA	2-1	66.67%	16.00	54.17%	52.90%
19	MSU Moorhead	Central	NSIC	4-1	80.00%	16.00	47.33%	57.42%
19	Fairmont State	Atlantic	MEC	5-0	100.00%	16.00	37.00%	56.62%
19	Bridgeport	East	ECC	5-2	71.43%	16.00	59.95%	49.11%
19	Shippensburg	Atlantic	PSAC	3-0	100.00%	16.00	41.67%	62.09%
26	Morehouse	South	SIAC	4-2	66.67%	15.83	66.03%	50.41%
27	Truman State	Midwest	GLVC	4-1	80.00%	15.80	46.38%	49.15%
27	UAH	South	GSC	4-1	80.00%	15.80	52.67%	50.30%
29	Saint Rose	East	NE10	8-0	100.00%	15.75	32.98%	58.63%
30	Missouri Southern	Central	MIAA	4-2	66.67%	15.50	67.78%	45.10%
30	West Liberty	Atlantic	MEC	6-0	100.00%	15.50	38.02%	60.03%
30	Kutztown	Atlantic	PSAC	4-0	100.00%	15.50	35.27%	59.91%
33	Georgia College	Southeast	PBC	5-1	83.33%	15.33	40.28%	57.61%
34	Minnesota State	Central	NSIC	4-1	80.00%	15.20	45.00%	58.76%
35	Lane	South	SIAC	3-3	50.00%	15.17	68.33%	36.71%
36	Indiana (Pa.)	Atlantic	PSAC	7-0	100.00%	15.14	31.31%	66.41%
37	Hawai'i Pacific	West	PWC	3-0	100.00%	15.00	30.95%	57.44%
38	Adelphi	East	NE10	6-1	85.71%	14.86	36.99%	52.35%
38	Kentucky Wesleyan	Midwest	GMAC	5-2	71.43%	14.86	59.01%	45.96%
38	Virginia Union	Atlantic	CIAA	6-1	85.71%	14.86	32.62%	56.96%
41	St. Thomas Aquinas	East	ECC	6-0	100.00%	14.83	30.95%	56.89%
41	UNC Pembroke	Southeast	PBC	5-1	83.33%	14.83	44.76%	59.38%
43	Harding	Central	GAC	4-1	80.00%	14.80	46.00%	59.45%
43	Bellarmine	Midwest	GLVC	4-1	80.00%	14.80	41.00%	63.91%
43	Washburn	Central	MIAA	5-0	100.00%	14.80	21.33%	69.53%
43	Ohio Dominican	Midwest	GLIAC	4-1	80.00%	14.80	46.57%	47.28%
47	Delta State	South	GSC	3-1	75.00%	14.75	47.92%	59.45%
48	Nebraska-Kearney	Central	MIAA	5-1	83.33%	14.67	41.94%	55.74%
49	Chico State	West	CCAA	5-0	100.00%	14.60	24.00%	63.97%
50	Daemen	East	ECC	5-2	71.43%	14.57	47.77%	50.44%
50	Merrimack	East	NE10	6-1	85.71%	14.57	37.76%	56.23%

[KnightStalker]

Re: Top teams in other regions

Again, I'm not sure the PI is that good at comparing teams across regions because there is little cross over play. It is good at comparing teams within a region though. I guess we could take the top 2 or 3 from each region and then tried to see if there is any common opponents within other regions. Think the sample is just too small to tell.

[schnautza]

Re: Top teams in other regions

Again, I'm not sure the PI is that good at comparing teams across regions because there is little cross over play.

Agreed, my post was to show you which teams have risen to the top in each region more than anything. But this early on, even that is difficult to get a good feel for any of them. Mostly right now I look at the win% and the opponents records.

For example, we can see that NWMSU is starting pretty hot with 6-0 against better than 50% competition, and we see that Missouri Southern is 4-2 but against a combined record of nearly 70%, so that's impressive as well.

[schnautza]

Re: Top teams in other regions

How about the top 10 in each region?

3	Wheeling Jesuit	Atlantic	MEC	4-0	100.00%	18.00	47.50%	63.60%
19	Fairmont State	Atlantic	MEC	5-0	100.00%	16.00	37.00%	56.62%
19	Shippensburg	Atlantic	PSAC	3-0	100.00%	16.00	41.67%	62.09%
30	West Liberty	Atlantic	MEC	6-0	100.00%	15.50	38.02%	60.03%
30	Kutztown	Atlantic	PSAC	4-0	100.00%	15.50	35.27%	59.91%
36	Indiana (Pa.)	Atlantic	PSAC	7-0	100.00%	15.14	31.31%	66.41%
38	Virginia Union	Atlantic	CIAA	6-1	85.71%	14.86	32.62%	56.96%
59	Charleston	Atlantic	MEC	5-0	100.00%	14.20	28.67%	64.39%
63	Shaw	Atlantic	CIAA	2-2	50.00%	14.00	68.45%	52.50%
63	Notre Dame (Ohio)	Atlantic	MEC	4-2	66.67%	14.00	50.00%	51.45%

1	Northwest Missouri State	Central	MIAA	6-0	100.00%	18.50	55.83%	53.23%
6	Arkansas-Monticello	Central	GAC	3-0	100.00%	17.00	47.22%	62.26%
16	Southwest Minnesota State	Central	NSIC	6-0	100.00%	16.33	31.67%	58.82%
19	MSU Moorhead	Central	NSIC	4-1	80.00%	16.00	47.33%	57.42%
30	Missouri Southern	Central	MIAA	4-2	66.67%	15.50	67.78%	45.10%
34	Minnesota State	Central	NSIC	4-1	80.00%	15.20	45.00%	58.76%
43	Harding	Central	GAC	4-1	80.00%	14.80	46.00%	59.45%
43	Washburn	Central	MIAA	5-0	100.00%	14.80	21.33%	69.53%
48	Nebraska-Kearney	Central	MIAA	5-1	83.33%	14.67	41.94%	55.74%
61	Southeastern Oklahoma State	Central	GAC	3-3	50.00%	14.17	67.74%	42.11%

12	Southern New Hampshire	East	NE10	5-0	100.00%	16.60	46.19%	50.93%
19	Bridgeport	East	ECC	5-2	71.43%	16.00	59.95%	49.11%
29	Saint Rose	East	NE10	8-0	100.00%	15.75	32.98%	58.63%
38	Adelphi	East	NE10	6-1	85.71%	14.86	36.99%	52.35%
41	St. Thomas Aquinas	East	ECC	6-0	100.00%	14.83	30.95%	56.89%
50	Daemen	East	ECC	5-2	71.43%	14.57	47.77%	50.44%
50	Merrimack	East	NE10	6-1	85.71%	14.57	37.76%	56.23%
62	Southern Connecticut State	East	NE10	5-2	71.43%	14.14	46.43%	58.69%
63	Felician	East	CACC	5-3	62.50%	14.00	50.45%	48.19%
71	Wilmington	East	CACC	4-2	66.67%	13.83	50.67%	52.96%

5	Ferris State	Midwest	GLIAC	4-1	80.00%	17.20	59.33%	45.55%
6	Saginaw Valley State	Midwest	GLIAC	4-0	100.00%	17.00	43.33%	60.54%
10	Southern Indiana	Midwest	GLVC	4-0	100.00%	16.75	40.77%	58.54%
11	Missouri S&T	Midwest	GLVC	3-0	100.00%	16.67	47.78%	61.26%
19	Drury	Midwest	GLVC	3-0	100.00%	16.00	44.44%	60.23%
27	Truman State	Midwest	GLVC	4-1	80.00%	15.80	46.38%	49.15%
38	Kentucky Wesleyan	Midwest	GMAC	5-2	71.43%	14.86	59.01%	45.96%
43	Bellarmine	Midwest	GLVC	4-1	80.00%	14.80	41.00%	63.91%
43	Ohio Dominican	Midwest	GLIAC	4-1	80.00%	14.80	46.57%	47.28%
54	Quincy	Midwest	GLVC	4-1	80.00%	14.40	31.00%	58.68%

6	Barry	South	SSC	4-0	100.00%	17.00	44.29%	68.04%
26	Morehouse	South	SIAC	4-2	66.67%	15.83	66.03%	50.41%
27	UAH	South	GSC	4-1	80.00%	15.80	52.67%	50.30%
35	Lane	South	SIAC	3-3	50.00%	15.17	68.33%	36.71%
47	Delta State	South	GSC	3-1	75.00%	14.75	47.92%	59.45%
52	Shorter	South	GSC	4-0	100.00%	14.50	17.50%	72.27%
54	Christian Brothers	South	GSC	3-2	60.00%	14.40	55.71%	42.88%
63	West Florida	South	GSC	4-0	100.00%	14.00	11.25%	77.75%
71	Eckerd	South	SSC	4-2	66.67%	13.83	54.52%	47.19%
71	Palm Beach Atlantic	South	IND	4-2	66.67%	13.83	40.83%	58.27%

2	Colorado School of Mines	South Central	RMAC	4-0	100.00%	18.25	47.50%	65.55%
13	Fort Lewis	South Central	RMAC	1-1	50.00%	16.50	81.94%	36.64%
52	Texas A&M-Commerce	South Central	LSC	4-0	100.00%	14.50	25.00%	67.31%
54	Cameron	South Central	LSC	5-0	100.00%	14.40	20.33%	75.09%
58	Regis	South Central	RMAC	4-0	100.00%	14.25	28.45%	71.67%
63	Rogers State	South Central	HC	3-2	60.00%	14.00	64.67%	39.74%
70	West Texas A&M	South Central	LSC	8-1	88.89%	13.89	35.77%	64.26%
75	Eastern New Mexico	South Central	LSC	3-1	75.00%	13.75	37.50%	69.50%
104	New Mexico Highlands	South Central	RMAC	2-2	50.00%	13.25	53.47%	39.15%
105	Midwestern State	South Central	LSC	5-1	83.33%	13.17	25.74%	66.81%

16	Columbus State	Southeast	PBC	3-0	100.00%	16.33	34.44%	71.11%
18	Queens (N.C.)	Southeast	SAC	6-0	100.00%	16.17	39.37%	57.69%
33	Georgia College	Southeast	PBC	5-1	83.33%	15.33	40.28%	57.61%
41	UNC Pembroke	Southeast	PBC	5-1	83.33%	14.83	44.76%	59.38%
57	Limestone	Southeast	CC	5-1	83.33%	14.33	37.18%	59.27%
59	Pfeiffer	Southeast	CC	5-0	100.00%	14.20	24.00%	57.99%
81	Augusta	Southeast	PBC	5-1	83.33%	13.50	33.10%	52.42%
93	Lincoln Memorial	Southeast	SAC	5-2	71.43%	13.43	45.44%	56.69%
105	Coker	Southeast	SAC	4-2	66.67%	13.17	46.67%	49.96%
120	Catawba	Southeast	SAC	3-2	60.00%	12.80	49.67%	47.86%

4	Chaminade	West	PWC	3-0	100.00%	17.67	47.62%	55.22%
6	Central Washington	West	GNAC	3-1	75.00%	17.00	59.58%	44.01%
13	Western Washington	West	GNAC	4-0	100.00%	16.50	41.67%	49.66%
13	California Baptist	West	PWC	6-0	100.00%	16.50	48.08%	55.51%
19	UC San Diego	West	CCAA	6-1	85.71%	16.00	48.52%	56.79%
19	Cal State San Marcos	West	CCAA	2-1	66.67%	16.00	54.17%	52.90%
37	Hawai'i Pacific	West	PWC	3-0	100.00%	15.00	30.95%	57.44%
49	Chico State	West	CCAA	5-0	100.00%	14.60	24.00%	63.97%
63	San Francisco State	West	CCAA	6-0	100.00%	14.00	24.68%	64.58%
81	Humboldt State	West	CCAA	3-1	75.00%	13.50	42.50%	61.35%

[DUPanther]

Re: Top teams in other regions

Agreed, my post was to show you which teams have risen to the top in each region more than anything. But this early on, even that is difficult to get a good feel for any of them. Mostly right now I look at the win% and the opponents records.

For example, we can see that NWMSU is starting pretty hot with 6-0 against better than 50% competition, and we see that Missouri Southern is 4-2 but against a combined record of nearly 70%, so that's impressive as well.

Northwest Missouri State is the real deal. Justin Pitts is probably the best player in all of D2...and he's just a junior. They might have won it last year if they weren't in the same region as Augustana.

They should be the top ranked team in the country at this point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like they're the only undefeated team in the country that also has an opponents winning % of greater than 50%.

[JDonAB92]

Re: Top teams in other regions

Fairmont State beat Wheeling Jesuit at Wheeling last night.

I was not impressed with IUP against Alderson Broaddus. I could add some things on that game but will bite my tongue but AB was up 4 with 26 seconds left.

[schnautza]

Re: Top teams in other regions

This is a complete list of games that are considered "cross-regional" to date.
4-Nov - Azusa Pacific 72 - West Texas A&M 86
5-Nov - Azusa Pacific 72 - Texas A&M International 64
5-Nov - St. Cloud State 70 - West Texas A&M 83
6-Nov - St. Cloud State 61 - Texas A&M International 64
18-Nov - Felician 78 - Livingstone 70 (N)
18-Nov - Florida Southern 94 - Southern Indiana 108 (N)
18-Nov - Georgian Court 71 - Mount Olive 83
18-Nov - Lindenwood 73 - Simon Fraser 81
18-Nov #17 Minnesota State 78 - Seattle Pacific 69
19-Nov - Barton 85 - Georgian Court 69 (N)
19-Nov - Central Washington 93 #17 Minnesota State 104 (N)
19-Nov - Concordia (Calif.) 58 #10 Tarleton State 67
19-Nov - Felician 91 - Johnson C. Smith 81
19-Nov - Lindenwood 72 - Simon Fraser 73
19-Nov - Oakland City 53 - Hawai'i Pacific 101
19-Nov - Post 52 - Virginia Union 65
19-Nov - St. Edward's 64 - Daemen 74
19-Nov - Virginia State 80 - Young Harris 83
20-Nov - Elizabeth City State 59 - Post 67 OT/(N)
20-Nov #6 Northwest Missouri State 66 - MSU Denver 64
21-Nov - St. Edward's 94 - Roberts Wesleyan 84
22-Nov - Oakland City 71 - BYU-Hawaii 82
23-Nov - Northwood 64 - Washburn 66 (N)
24-Nov - Saint Rose 44 - Sioux Falls 42 (N)
25-Nov - Bloomfield 74 - Regis 82
25-Nov - Bluefield State 76 - Florida Tech 94
25-Nov - Colorado Christian 69 - Tampa 87 (N)
25-Nov - Concordia (Calif.) 67 - UA Fort Smith 55 (N)
25-Nov - Davis & Elkins 86 - MSU Denver 101
25-Nov - Grand Valley State 72 - Upper Iowa 76 (N)
25-Nov - Lubbock Christian 76 - Northwood 75 OT/(N)
25-Nov - Pittsburg State 44 - Saint Rose 67 (N)
25-Nov - Tuskegee 58 - William Jewell 76 (N)
25-Nov - Winona State 61 - Kentucky Wesleyan 77
26-Nov - Bloomfield 73 - MSU Denver 79
26-Nov - Bluefield State 75 - Tuskegee 70 (N)
26-Nov - Carson-Newman 69 - Winona State 73 (N)
26-Nov - Colorado Christian 82 - Eckerd 83
26-Nov - Davis & Elkins 75 - Regis 80
26-Nov - Le Moyne 53 #1 West Liberty 76
26-Nov - Molloy 87 - Saint Leo 88
26-Nov - UA Fort Smith 70 #5 California Baptist 84
26-Nov - Upper Iowa 91 - Saint Joseph's 76
26-Nov - Virginia Union 77 - Morehouse 101
26-Nov - William Jewell 83 - Florida Tech 98
27-Nov - Molloy 86 - Florida Southern 83
27-Nov #20 Southern Connecticut State 78 - Nova Southeastern 81
28-Nov - Virginia Union 71 - Clayton State 62
29-Nov - Adelphi 104 - Salem International 66

[IUP Extra Mile]

Re: Top teams in other regions

Made up this thread to talk about results from national title contenders outside of the Midwest.

I noticed that WLU pulled out a 3 point win at home against the mighty Shepherd Lambs (don' know their real nickname, but it seems appropriate). I'm not sure that WLU is anything close to as good as advertised. Their season stats so far indicate that they are not a particularly good three point shooting team, which would seem to me to seriously hamper their style. Their offensive stats are currently grotesquely over inflated by scoring 130+ points against a couple of terrible teams. They only scored 67 last night. Makes me want to repeat my advice to the entire Mountain East, slow the ball down, don't turn it over, and you have a chance to beat WLU. Wouldn't be surprised to see WLU lose on Sunday to Fairmont.

Of course, I clearly don't know what I'm talking about because my preseason #1, Lincoln Memorial, lost their second game of the season the other night against Carson-Newman (who is a good team, but one the most talented team in D2 should beat).

Not exactly a super bold prediction, in that the game is at Fairmont and they are ranked in top 11, and beat #3 ranked team while on the road yesterday. And Massey has Fairmont winning 91-90, if you believe that sort of thing. Based on the previous two WL games, they should be favored. As we've all agreed here, WL is the preseason top 10 darlings...they always have talent coming back, they haven't lost too many in the last 10 years, so it's a safe pick. Are they the best team in the country--I wouldn't put money on them to win it all as a prop bet, but they do have two injuries...I know, everybody does. They are minus 1 starter, and their 1st or 2nd player off the bench, depending on the rotation. And yes, they are missing the scoring from the best d2 3 pt shooter of all time, who graduated last year. All that being said, they'll be in the conversation to host the regional, with WJ, IUP and Fairmont. As last year and 3 yrs ago proved, they don't need to host to get to E8, either.