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  • WOU drops two in Cali

    Looks like those preseason conference predictions are correct, I watched a couple games online this weekend and Western Oregon is not good.

    Their offense consists of their best player shooting the ball all the time, they miss easy shots and they don't defend well. I had high hopes for this season and certainly they can turn it around but right now they look like a mess.

    At times it looks like they don't play with much heart or passion and that is really bothersome.

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    Really it’s been a really rough two days for the GNAC as a whole.

    Seattle Pacific losing twice to Pomona and Chico St. Central Washington managed a split. Western Washington dropped two to CS Dominguez Hills and Humboldt. Fairbanks got the clamps put on them by Chaminade. Billings managed a split. UAA put on a dizzying display of missed layups, missed free throws and missed open 3s but played enough defense for an ugly win over HPU. St Martins drops two. Simon Fraser with a split.

    Shake it off and move on I guess. Couple more games today (UAA-Chaminade and UAF-HPU). And Monday (Simon Fraser-CS-LA and Billings-CS San Marcos). UAA finishes up Hawaii on Tuesday vs Hilo.

    If UAA can manage a split vs two very good teams (Chaminade and Hilo), down 3 players, you’d have to call it a pretty successful opening road trip. But that’s a big if.
    Last edited by Anchorage; 11-14-2021, 11:37 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Anchorage View Post
      Really it’s been a really rough two days for the GNAC as a whole.

      Seattle Pacific losing twice to Pomona and Chico St. Central Washington managed a split. Western Washington dropped two to CS Dominguez Hills and Humboldt. Fairbanks got the clamps put on them by Chaminade. Billings managed a split. UAA put on a dizzying display of missed layups, missed free throws and missed open 3s but played enough defense for an ugly win over HPU. St Martins drops two. Simon Fraser with a split.

      Shake it off and move on I guess. Couple more games today (UAA-Chaminade and UAF-HPU). And Monday (Simon Fraser-CS-LA and Billings-CS San Marcos). UAA finishes up Hawaii on Tuesday vs Hilo.

      If UAA can manage a split vs two very good teams (Chaminade and Hilo), down 3 players, you’d have to call it a pretty successful opening road trip. But that’s a big if.
      Ouch, not a good start for the league.

      Right now I'm blaming the pandemic but I'm really not sure what's going on with Western Oregon athletics. They had a struggling football season in basketball doesn't look much better.

      Before the pandemic they got second in the league in basketball and tied for first in football.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by tsull View Post

        Ouch, not a good start for the league.

        Right now I'm blaming the pandemic but I'm really not sure what's going on with Western Oregon athletics. They had a struggling football season in basketball doesn't look much better.

        Before the pandemic they got second in the league in basketball and tied for first in football.
        It’s very easy to over react to the opening weekend of games, and coming off the non-playing year it’s even heightened a bit. You are correct. Jan 1st will tell a lot more than November 15th.

        is the CCCA just a really loaded league? Or the GNAC really down? Or did the CCCA teams just do a better job of lining up scrimmages to be ready to hit the ground running? Or was it just a flukey bad weekend? Lots of possibilities. I do think the GNAC squads have brought in some good talent, at least on paper they have. But regardless I’m sure this weekend will come back to bite a GNAC team or two come west regional seeding/selection time. It puts a lot of pressure on UAA to not drop both games to teams (Chaminade/Hilo) that will be right in the middle of that seedlings discussion. Just for the strength of conference argument. However there are quite a few intra-conference games remaining so hopefully GNAC schools really step it up over the next couple weeks.
        Last edited by Anchorage; 11-14-2021, 01:45 PM.

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        • #5
          Fairbanks drops another one, this time to Hawaii Pacific.

          The UAA-Chaminade game was a rock fight throughout. Beautiful basketball it was not. Consisted of Chaminade building a lead, UAA clawing back, the Swords building another lead, UAA clawing back. Stayed that way till Chaminade had a 15-0 run to close the game. UAA shot a sparkling 7-34 from 3, mostly tough contested 3s with time running out. It was a game of a lot of standing around and forcing up a contested shots, deep in the shot clock for both teams. Neither team had much, if any, off ball movement or motion to try and get an open shot. Both teams appeared to be allergic to pushing in transition despite all the long rebounds, if even to find open looks that way. Chaminade won by being better on the boards and getting additional possessions. Just an ugly early season basketball game.
          Last edited by Anchorage; 11-15-2021, 12:49 PM.

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          • #6
            I just want the GNAC to have at least two teams in the region and to show well in the region tourney. Looks like it won't be WOU, but I had very high hopes for UAA and UAF; as well as SPU. I haven't yet seen NNU play, but I will soon, I'm not sure they're the team they were last year without Alley. I have to admit I'm stunned at the early results and think these crossover tournaments in the early season are super important. In the not-so-distant past with WOU, wins in California and at home against Cali teams bolstered their regional rankings.

            I waited a year for GNAC hoops, so far I'm disappointed in the results.

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            • #7
              UAA battled hard at Hilo, played a lot better but fell short at the end when a 3 from Caleb Larsen rimmed out. Tough blow but it was easily the best game they played in Hawaii and are trending in the right direction. Hilo is a very good team that had beaten D1 Northern Colorado and had given D1 Pacific all that it could handle its two previous games. I’m hopeful that UAA gets a guy or two back in the coming weeks to give them more depth and options. A guy like Tyson Gilbert breaking down defenses off the dribble would have been huge this trip.

              I agree in that these games are weighed heavily come selections for regions and this start has damaged the conference chances.

              I’m not sure what is going on with UAF. HPU isn’t a very good team so that loss was really surprising. UAA played horrendously against Hawaii Pacific and still managed a win. But I didn’t watch either UAF game to really say what went on for sure.

              Quite a few D2 non-conference games coming up over the next few weeks, so hopefully the GNAC can turn it around and log some wins. .

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              • #8
                I think you guys are correct in thinking that these games will be very important come selection time. It's easier to save the season and learn from these early games and get better for conference play, but much harder to get into regionals with such a rough start, unless you win the conference (which we all know is hard, because regardless of the start, it's usually teams beating up on one another down the stretch in conference play).

                I haven't been able to watch UAF closely yet, but saw a bit of their Hawaii games. They look a lot like they did 2 years ago in November... A mess. It's largely a new team, figuring out how to play together and Sparling's style doesn't seem to be very heavy handed in terms of set plays and more structured organization. I'm hopeful that they will get things sorted out and wiggle their way into the conference calculations as they did 2 years ago, but as far as regionals goes, SPU seems to be the only GNAC school playing and competing in the kinds of games that end up being important for selection, outside of conference performance.

                I think play is going to get interesting and better as we go. Let's see what this weekend brings...

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                • #9
                  Western Oregon lost again, this time to California East bay. The Wolves are really not good this year. Ugh.

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                  • #10
                    Western Oregon picked up their first win of the year today against Sonoma State. I'm not sure this is a very good Wolves team, however.

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                    • #11
                      GNAC fortunes took a turn for the better this week. 7-1 against West region foes. That will help. I have the GNAC as 12-17 on the year vs Region opponents.

                      Billings and NNU dropped 3 games between them to out of region D2 squads.

                      Region Games to look forward to this week

                      WOU vs Humboldt - Tuesday
                      St Martins vs East Bay - Wednesday
                      Point Loma vs WWU - Friday
                      St Martins vs Academy of Arts - Friday
                      NNU vs Azusa- Saturday
                      UAF vs Hilo - Saturday
                      Point Lona vs SPU - Saturday
                      St Martins vs Monterey Bay - Saturday
                      UAA vs Hilo - Sunday

                      Other D2 Games of note

                      Billings vs Black Hills
                      Western Colorado vs Simon Fraser
                      Fort Lewis vs WOU
                      CWU vs Westminster
                      WOU vs Westminster
                      UAF vs Quincy
                      UAA vs Quincy
                      Fort Lewis vs CWU
                      UT-Permian vs WWU
                      Simon vs Colorado Mesa







                      Last edited by Anchorage; 11-21-2021, 01:31 AM.

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                      • #12
                        UAF's Barnard hit a near half court shot at the buzzer to get UAF into OT with East Bay yesterday and then they took over in OT. The last 56 seconds of regulation are worth a watch if you want to see how late game tactics can work, despite ref calls not going in your favor at all. https://www.ccaanetwork.com/ UAF was looking more organized this week and Shabazz finding his rhythm too.

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                        • #13
                          WOU gets crushed by fort Lewis, really? They play absolutely zero defense. Hope to stay out of the cellar this year. What a quick drop to the bottom it's been. Seems like the players just don't care.

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                          • #14
                            Wolves lose again at Utah tourney, bad team now 1-6 or something like that. I'm a bit surprised, looks like the out-of-state/far-flung recruiting strategy isn't paying off. Best players in the last decade have been from Woodburn, Oregon; Monmouth, Oregon; and McKenzie River, Oregon ... and one dude from Salt Lake CC. I was excited about all these recruits the last two years; they're not getting it done.

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                            • #15
                              Not a bad week..

                              GNAC

                              5-2 vs West 17-19 overall

                              6-5 vs out of region D2s 8-8 overall

                              GNAC did a nice job climbing themselves out of that disastrous hole they dug.

                              Big wins were SPU and WWU with wins over Point Loma and UAA and UAF with wins over #19 Hawaii Hilo.

                              UAA had a nice weekend for themselves, revenge win against Hilo which was an absolute war 100-97. Inverse of 12 days ago in Hawaii this time with a Hilo 3 to tie rimming out at the buzzer. The night before the Seawolves cruised to a 81-66 win over a solid Quincy club, who bounced back by beating UAF earlier today.

                              The Seawolves have seemingly fixed the offensive issues that plagued them in Hawaii and with better looks it’s been a barrage of 3s that have been dropping. And with the threat of the 3 ball, Oggie and Hunter Sweet have had a ton of room to isolate inside. Hunter had 30 against Quincy, Oggie 28 against Hilo.

                              Rusty has really shortened the bench, only playing 7 guys this weekend. Guard AJ Garrity added to the list of injured players with a pulled hamstring that he suffered playing on the ice rink that was the Hawaii Hilo floor 2 weeks ago. Despite that UAA is rounding into form coming into the start of conference play.
                              Last edited by Anchorage; 11-29-2021, 01:18 AM.

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