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  • #16
    Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
    Re: Colleges adding football



    Fayetteville and Fort Smith are less than an hour apart. They share tv stations. UAFS would get zero or next to zero support in football. UAM is in the opposite corner of the state and has had football for 100 years, long before they joined the UA system. But, Fayetteville did almost make UAM drop football during the transition from NAIA to D2.
    FBS people discuss TV markets. There are three FBS teams in metro-ATL, but the three combined don't get the coverage that UGA does (even when UGA isn't on top like now).

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    • #17
      Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post
      Here's where I want to see growth in football participation:

      -According to Wikipedia, the NJCAA has a total of 436 members across the three divisions. 54 of them sponsor football - 41 DI, and 13 DIII. It's been shrinking steadily in the last few years too. I think we may see a core of teams across Mississippi, Texas, and Oklahoma stick around with some stragglers like NMMI and Snow, , but I think JUCO football is on death's doorstep. Obviously the reason is money - but I do see a market opportunity now that there's a bigger emphasis on small college football (IMO). It doesn't even have to be fancy, but it would be nice if it was brought back.

      -California (and the west coast). This one is obvious, but there's not a lot of football out there and we've slowly seen it dissipate, especially below the FBS level. I'd really like to see it make a comeback in the Cal State system (especially CSU-LA), along with APU and SFU. Gonzaga is another school I'd like to see have football.

      -Big basketball schools that don't have football, like Gonzaga mentioned above.

      -St. Cloud State.

      (EDIT - Just realized this is a 6 year old thread)
      Yes and no. Georgia used to have two JUCO programs in Georgia Military College (GMC) and Middle Georgia (MGC). MGC dropped their team some time ago. GMC has soldiered on often playing extended road trips in TX and playing Lackawanna (PA) twice per season. In recent years, they have been playing some Iowa teams.

      This season, two other JUCOs in GA have football. Who knows how long they will last though.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Rational Observer View Post

        Yes and no. Georgia used to have two JUCO programs in Georgia Military College (GMC) and Middle Georgia (MGC). MGC dropped their team some time ago. GMC has soldiered on often playing extended road trips in TX and playing Lackawanna (PA) twice per season. In recent years, they have been playing some Iowa teams.

        This season, two other JUCOs in GA have football. Who knows how long they will last though.
        They're down from 71 total in 2010, but it's a bit harder to gauge than I thought. JUCOs come and go, they merge and close and shift around. It's tough to find good solid records on teams that had football that have since dropped.

        What I do know is that the MCAC had 11 teams in Minnesota in 2002, and are down to 6 - and I am guessing 1 will drop in the next few years. We did adopt NDSCS from North Dakota, so we have 7 total teams.

        Geography seems to be a factor too. I'm in SoDak, and none of the 2-years have sports, and it doesn't make sense for any of them to add it even though they might have the financial means. They're more focused on technical education and career training that traditional community schools, so it just doesn't attract the types of students they'd need (IMO).


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        • #19
          Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

          They're down from 71 total in 2010, but it's a bit harder to gauge than I thought. JUCOs come and go, they merge and close and shift around. It's tough to find good solid records on teams that had football that have since dropped.

          What I do know is that the MCAC had 11 teams in Minnesota in 2002, and are down to 6 - and I am guessing 1 will drop in the next few years. We did adopt NDSCS from North Dakota, so we have 7 total teams.

          Geography seems to be a factor too. I'm in SoDak, and none of the 2-years have sports, and it doesn't make sense for any of them to add it even though they might have the financial means. They're more focused on technical education and career training that traditional community schools, so it just doesn't attract the types of students they'd need (IMO).

          When I played at Ridgewater there were two divisions, north and south- and we played 8 games, missing one team. That makes a ten team south division (not sure if the north had 9 or 10) and a playoff between the champs at the end of the year in the Gophers Memorial Stadium. Quite a drop off.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ESU Warrior View Post
            Bring back the Wichita State Shockers!!
            In 2016 the President at Wichita State discussed bringing football back and he had this helmet made. But here we are 8 years later and still no Shockers football.

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            Last edited by crixus; 09-27-2024, 06:36 PM.

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            • #21
              Fortunately we have 66 community college football teams here in California.

              https://3c2asports.org/sports/fball/2024-25/standings

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              • #22
                Originally posted by crixus View Post

                In 2016 the President at Wichita State discussed bringing football back and he had this helmet made. But here we are 8 years later and still no Shockers football.

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                Cool helmet…sure their conference would love to nudge them into football.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by laker View Post

                  When I played at Ridgewater there were two divisions, north and south- and we played 8 games, missing one team. That makes a ten team south division (not sure if the north had 9 or 10) and a playoff between the champs at the end of the year in the Gophers Memorial Stadium. Quite a drop off.
                  Duluth played Compton back in '48 in front of 50,000 people in Pasadena, California. Duluth was coached by Gopher great Frank Larson, but Compton had a bunch of NFL talent (and at least one HOFer) and won easily. The early days of the Little Rose Bowl was comparable to the actual Rose Bowl (so I've heard).

                  Duluth folded two years later and Compton still has football, but they aren't a power anymore. When LSC decided to start athletics, I suggested they carry the legacy of DJC by adopting the BlueJay mascot - but they obviously couldn't.

                  Anyway - it used to be a bigger deal. I think there is a market for it, but it would need to be anchored by the big schools in the Twin Cities and they'll never go for it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by crixus View Post
                    Fortunately we have 66 community college football teams here in California.

                    https://3c2asports.org/sports/fball/2024-25/standings
                    Yeah, the CCCAA is weird given the lack of 4-year football in CA, as well as the lack of JUCO football everywhere else.

                    I mean - it's cool and I'd absolutely love to check it out. I just wonder what they have that the rest of the country doesn't, besides climate. Money? Geography? Alumni support? Odd.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by crixus View Post

                      In 2016 the President at Wichita State discussed bringing football back and he had this helmet made. But here we are 8 years later and still no Shockers football.

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                      There is a nice documentary you can find on youtube that explains the whole process of dropping it

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHoVpML4LQw

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

                        Geography seems to be a factor too. I'm in SoDak, and none of the 2-years have sports, and it doesn't make sense for any of them to add it even though they might have the financial means. They're more focused on technical education and career training that traditional community schools, so it just doesn't attract the types of students they'd need (IMO).
                        Funny how that works in different states, as in North Dakota, all the two year public colleges have sports. Williston, Bismarck, Lake Region, Bottineau, School of Science. Only the School of Science has football, although Bismarck State had football years ago.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Mandan View Post

                          Funny how that works in different states, as in North Dakota, all the two year public colleges have sports. Williston, Bismarck, Lake Region, Bottineau, School of Science. Only the School of Science has football, although Bismarck State had football years ago.
                          There's a few states like that. Wisconsin was that way until recently. New Mexico only has NMMI, which isn't really a community college.

                          Bottineau had football until recently too and was a hockey powerhouse when that was a thing.

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                          • #28
                            Pretty much all of the KS jucos have sports.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Predatory Primates View Post
                              Pretty much all of the KS jucos have sports.
                              Yeah, that's one place where JUCO football seems to be doing decent. I hear about Hutchinson on occasion.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

                                Yeah, that's one place where JUCO football seems to be doing decent. I hear about Hutchinson on occasion.
                                Yeah FT. Scott canceled football a couple of years ago, but most of the rest still have it.

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