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Originally posted by 4_tattoos View Post
Wait. There's no roster limits for D3 programs? Or there's no roster limits at all in NCAA?
That's why SJU can have 300 kids on one team. I'm sure many schools and/or conferences curb it themselves.
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Originally posted by UCObluejay View PostWhile people are discussing Southland Teams, what is the news on the Louisiana schools? There has been some speculation about them being in poor financial straits.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...38aed.amp.html
Louisiana has too many D1 Universities and too few students. Something has got to give.
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While people are discussing Southland Teams, what is the news on the Louisiana schools? There has been some speculation about them being in poor financial straits.
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Originally posted by laker View Post
St John's used to dress over a hundred players for a game so they had to have duplicate numbers. It worked since not only were they not in the game at the same time, SJU didn't use those players anyway. I wondered why but if you realize that you can brag that you were on a playoff team, even if you never got into a game, when you got rich later in life you were more likely to make some big donations.
I'm trying to think what the road limit is in the NSIC.
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Originally posted by 4_tattoos View Post
Wait. There's no roster limits for D3 programs? Or there's no roster limits at all in NCAA?
I'm trying to think what the road limit is in the NSIC.
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Originally posted by chapmaja View Post
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That is often an overlooked point. In D3, there are no athletic scholarships (or roster limits set by the NCAA). That's why a lot of schools have added programs in the past few years. The students who are there are often paying a ridiculous amount of money. With no roster limits, schools like St. John's have 100+ football players on occasion - many of whom will never see playing time. The local media thinks it's cute, and the school counts it's money.
D2 St. Cloud State just cut football which eliminated 30+ students immediately as well as many unrealized students in the future. Given how they've been hemorrhaging enrollment over the past few years, and how many of those players were paying in some capacity to be there, it was a huge hit to the school.
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Originally posted by 4_tattoos View Post
How much are schools making just to have their team eliminated in that Play-In round at Dayton?
The NCAA pays out NCAA tourney money in the way of units. A unit is earned for each game played by a team in the tourney with a few exceptions. The applicable exception for the play in game teams (meaning 16 seeds, not the at-large play ins) is that the first game by an automatic qualifier does not earn the conference a unit. The money comes when the team wins that play in game.
An NCAA tourney unit was worth roughly $275K per season to the conference for a period of 6 seasons. That means well over $1.5 million to the conference, which is generally split among the members. This is why getting an at-large bid for a mid-major, or winning your play in game can be so important. This is also why upsets by single bid conferences are so important.
What people also need to realize it the NCAA tourney isn't just about the units the conferences get. The NCAA tourney funds a lot of other money that goes to the schools. One of the biggest is the scholarship fund. Schools are given a certain amount per scholarship offered by the NCAA each year. There is a tiered system, so a school San Diego won't get the same amount that a school like Stanford would get, because Stanford offers a lot more scholarships. For lower cost schools, this money can offset a substantial portion of the scholarship costs for the school.
One other thing to consider in the D1 vs D2 debate is the marketing a school gets by being a D1 school. There isn't a great method to quantify the amount of money that comes from the recognition of being a D1 school. Some schools have been able to market it much better than others.
Finally, one thing athletic budgets often don't do a good job of quantifying is the amount of money the school gets as a result of the athletic programs existence. This is the debate that has been a hot topic in Idaho, as well as with many schools who have cut sports teams prior to the CoVID-19 outbreak, and was in the Malone cutting football discussion as well.
If a school has a sports team, and that team has 30 members, but the scholarship limit is only 12 athletes, that means 18 members of that team are somehow paying their own way to attend the school. If that sports team didn't exist, it is highly likely that 18 people, and the money they bring with them, would not be attending that school. Schools have to be careful to not cut to deep because it can impact the overall budget of the school. This is one of the reasons that many schools have been adding sports teams, in an effort to add student athletes (and thus students) to their school. The GLIAC has a couple examples of this. SVSU recently added men's and women's swimming (they had the pool for over 2 decades, a 50 meter pool, which is the only one in the GLIAC, until GVSU builds their new pool). NMU reinstates men's swimming and is adding several other sports. Davenport recently added women's swimming and adds men's next year. Doing this at the d1 level can be trickier because costs are increased, but it was in the proposal at Idaho as a way to help eliminate the budget deficit within the athletic budget (they were pushing for have the athletic budget recalculated as well to account for that money students pay their own way with as revenue).
Some schools are just in bad situations and should consider moving down. Chicago St in the WAC is an example. Not a good fit from a geographic standpoint, and substantial costs. Some of the HBCU schools due to the financial situations at the schools, although that might be changing given the current state of our society. There is a push to get more people to attend HBCU's which could help the finances at many of them.
One thing is certain, athletic budgets are not a simple thing to figure out.
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Originally posted by Brandon View Post
Their fans on here were pretty cocky while they were reclassifying.
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One familiar institution that went one way and then the other. Good perspective for this discussion.
https://hbcugameday.com/2020/06/11/d...s-meac-exodus/Last edited by CALUPA69; 06-13-2020, 01:23 PM.
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I think a number of them should do so now. With the mid major (and D II) realignment, regionalization is a major factor (at least in the immediate future.) Those schools that survive need to really look at this when the dust settles, if realignment ever will. To decide which league and region provides the best fit.
When the tide goes out you can see who needed swim trunks.
Bring back the OIC.
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Originally posted by Brandon View Post
There are a lot of D2 teams that could or would beat FCS teams, just like there are a lot of NAIA teams that would beat D2 teams, etc. Simply being able to beat a team in one sport doesn't justify an institutional shift.
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Originally posted by TexasDigger View Post
And now Tarleton is moving to D1 (FCS) ... they absolutely have the support both monetarily & a fast growing student body, plus they proved that they can compete by whipping SFA's butt (at SFA) earlier this season.
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