Police presents at upcoming D2 Football Games?

[Turbonium]

Interestingly enough, it wasn't all that long ago that Caracas Venezuela was one of the most successful, prosperous, and safest cities in South America, to which many described as the Crown Jewel. It was in fact similar to many nice American cities. https://www.travelsafe-abroad.com/venezuela/caracas/

Also, it wasn't all that long ago that Tijuana (while still a bit quirky) and surrounding areas were safe enough to be a major spring break destination for a lot of American college students, those days are now gone due to the pullback of police presence and enforcement of crimes. Examples are helpful in predicting potential changes when the tip of the tail is able to start wagging the dog.

A lot has changed in both cities over several years. Interestingly enough, many of those changes can be directly tied to US government interference.

[Eagle74]

Are we comparing ourselves to Venezuela and Mexico now? Can we possibly compare our police to like countries? It seems anytime it fits an agenda we are okay with comparing to what we otherwise view as lesser countries rather than striving to improve.

Interestingly enough, it wasn't all that long ago that Caracas Venezuela was one of the most successful, prosperous, and safest cities in South America, to which many described as the Crown Jewel. It was in fact similar to many nice American cities. https://www.travelsafe-abroad.com/venezuela/caracas/

Also, it wasn't all that long ago that Tijuana (while still a bit quirky) and surrounding areas were safe enough to be a major spring break destination for a lot of American college students, those days are now gone due to the pullback of police presence and enforcement of crimes. Examples are helpful in predicting potential changes when the tip of the tail is able to start wagging the dog.

[Turbonium]

University studies have carefully analyzed the effects of both a gradual pulling back on enforcement of crimes (both petty and serious felonies) and reducing staffing and funding of police. They had two prime examples as to where this has been done along with the ramifications these actions brought. The examples of systematic scaled back enforcement and a reduction of adequate police funding were Caracus Venezuela, and Tijuana Mexico. Both of these cities now compete for the top spot as the most dangerous cities in the world.

A large percentage of these city's residents now live in fear of their families and their own safety and lives 24 hours a day. Again, in both situations, a small but very vocal percentage of these city's population pushed for those changes, now everyone suffers the effects of these changes.

The majority of their citizens are now pushing to get things reversed, but. unfortunately the damage is done.

Are we comparing ourselves to Venezuela and Mexico now? Can we possibly compare our police to like countries? It seems anytime it fits an agenda we are okay with comparing to what we otherwise view as lesser countries rather than striving to improve.

[Eagle74]

Relevant portion starts at 1:49:30 DNC LGBTQ Caucus Meeting "We're talking about abolishing the police. We're talking about abolishing ICE. We're talking about abolishing prisons."

University studies have carefully analyzed the effects of both a gradual pulling back on enforcement of crimes (both petty and serious felonies) and reducing staffing and funding of police. They had two prime examples as to where this has been done along with the ramifications these actions brought. The examples of systematic scaled back enforcement and a reduction of adequate police funding were Caracus Venezuela, and Tijuana Mexico. Both of these cities now compete for the top spot as the most dangerous cities in the world.

A large percentage of these city's residents now live in fear of their families and their own safety and lives 24 hours a day. Again, in both situations, a small but very vocal percentage of these city's population pushed for those changes, now everyone suffers the effects of these changes.

The majority of their citizens are now pushing to get things reversed, but. unfortunately the damage is done.

[Wide_Right]

less likely

There will be a season dammit!


It's called Fall !

[SW_Mustang]

Relevant portion starts at 1:49:30 DNC LGBTQ Caucus Meeting "We're talking about abolishing the police. We're talking about abolishing ICE. We're talking about abolishing prisons."

Sounds like a single radical with no decision making ability.

Not something I'm going to lose sleep over, but youbdo you I guess.

[Horror Child]

Defunding the police means no more military equipment, not taking police off the streets. Police departments have received or purchased 7.2 billion dollars worth of military equipment over the past of couple of decades. Reports indicated between January and March this year police departments received 30 mine resistant vehicles worth about $700,000 each and even pouches to carry grenades, according to Pentagon disclosures on the property transfer program

Relevant portion starts at 1:49:30 DNC LGBTQ Caucus Meeting "We're talking about abolishing the police. We're talking about abolishing ICE. We're talking about abolishing prisons."

[NWFanatic]

[SW_Mustang]

The police aren't responsible for mental health issues. They are responsible for bringing the person in for a mental health evaluation and possible commitment. If you want mental health professionals to approach unstable individuals in the community, they are going to bring the police with them anyway. Children and Youth bring police when they are taking away children from abusive parents. Crisis workers bring police when they are trying to involuntarily commit a suicidal/homicidal person to a psychiatric unit. The police will always be needed as backup.

Good point on the speed traps, but at least their presence curbs my behavior.

I grew up in a high(ish) crime area. Having the police around maybe deterred some crime, but anyone intent on committing a crime would find another way to do it. There was a rash of car thefts not too long ago, it doesn't sound like that ever got resolved. We had an excellent SRO at school. If anyone had business that needed to be taken care of, it was usually done on the opposite end of the school or outside. I felt safer having her there, but stuff still happened. I'm certainly not saying we don't need police, we do, but this idea that they solve everything is a little outdated IMO.

Anyway, working in tandem is probably ideal. Having an officer or two for security purposes in case things get out of hand isn't a bad idea. I've seen a few too many situations where using force on an unstable person just escalates the threat to the public. Having a trained professional on hand who knows how to handle an unstable person and an LEO who can assist if things get rough is probably the best option.

[Bart]

I wasn't talking about violent crime. We need police for that. They shouldn't be the ones responsible for mental health issues.

In your speeding example, you are still committing the offense - you're just letting up on the gas so as to not get a citation.

The police aren't responsible for mental health issues. They are responsible for bringing the person in for a mental health evaluation and possible commitment. If you want mental health professionals to approach unstable individuals in the community, they are going to bring the police with them anyway. Children and Youth bring police when they are taking away children from abusive parents. Crisis workers bring police when they are trying to involuntarily commit a suicidal/homicidal person to a psychiatric unit. The police will always be needed as backup.

Good point on the speed traps, but at least their presence curbs my behavior.

[SW_Mustang]

I'm happy that I helped you learn something about your home state. MPD150 has been around since 2016. But you've heard of Minneapolis City Council. Many of its members, including the president, share the "dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department" desire/intention.

I'll never hear of them again so it won't really matter. These fringe groups don't hold as much power as you think they do.

The Minneapolis City Council is a better example. Yes, I've heard of them. Have you heard of the ultra-liberal mayor Jacob Frey? He doesn't want to disband the police department. I doubt the governor does either. There are also very, very powerful unions involved. Checks and balances and such.

[SW_Mustang]

There are studies that say more police "presence" reduces crime. Most people don't commit crimes in front of the police. I know I reduce my speed when I see a cop on the side of the road. People also don't steal in front known store security cameras. Fewer guns equal less shootings. More police presence equals less violent crime.

I wasn't talking about violent crime. We need police for that. They shouldn't be the ones responsible for mental health issues.

In your speeding example, you are still committing the offense - you're just letting up on the gas so as to not get a citation.

[Wide_Right]

Defund the Grammar Police!

fugeteaboutit !

** You're always going to need some type of security. There are just too many unstable or drunks at a game. VSU always has securty
at games. Ironically , I sit on visitors side for better seating; I always see 2 Valdosta police at exits.




btw, after reading this, I am not sure there will be college football this year.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN23R003

[Bart]

Well said.

The job of the police isn't to reduce the crimes being committed, it's to catch the "bad guys" after the crime has been committed. Finding ways to reduce the crime rate is a better long term solution for everyone. There's no perfect fix, obviously - there will always be some crime, but there are better ways to handle it than what we have now.

There are studies that say more police "presence" reduces crime. Most people don't commit crimes in front of the police. I know I reduce my speed when I see a cop on the side of the road. People also don't steal in front known store security cameras. Fewer guns equal less shootings. More police presence equals less violent crime.

[Horror Child]

No, it's about allocating resources to where they are best used. Calling an LEO to handle a mental health issue is like calling a plumber to tackle a building fire. It has nothing to do with just "getting along."

I've lived in Minnesota my entire life and this is the first time I've heard of "MPD150." Seems like they are a fringe group. It's probably a good thing they aren't going to get their way - although it seems like the media is succeeding in making people afraid that they are.

Seattle is a different beast entirely. I've only been there once, so I can't really tell you what's going on there.

I'm happy that I helped you learn something about your home state. MPD150 has been around since 2016. But you've heard of Minneapolis City Council. Many of its members, including the president, share the "dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department" desire/intention.