Police presents at upcoming D2 Football Games?

[IUPNation]

If I understand the BLM argument, police are racially profiling and actively targeting blacks and then shooting them with no provocation or legitimate reason. And that these police killings are happening in epidemic numbers across the country.. We have been told that to suggest that it isn't happening or that the numbers don't bear out the wholesale slaughter of blacks at the hands of the police proves you are a racist and you therefore are subject to attack, both on the internet and physically. That to even utter the phrase All Lives Matter again shows you to be a racist and subject to attack.

As I've said before, the numbers don't support the views of BLM. Yet, they hold America hostage and drive an untrue narrative that does nothing but divide the country.

[IUPNation]

By an extreme margin, police don't just kill people for no reason and by a VAST margin,, most police shootings are warranted.. Also 99.99999% of police officers are unbiased and treat the people they protect fairly.

If a person presents a threat of inflicting severe bodily injury or death on either the officer or a member of society at large, deadly force is authorized. This can and sometime does include those running from the police. Couple of terms used in LE - Means, Motivation and Intent and Totality of the circumstances. Simple scenario to illustrate...officer rolls up un a scene and encounters a verbally agressive large muscular male. Individual is yelling f the police, im goung to kill them all and im going to start with you. Do you shoot or not? Clearly no. He is voicing his intent to kill you but he doesn't have the means (no weapon) and hasn't moved toward you. Now have him say the same things and put a knife in his hand...do u shoot? Still probably not even though he has the means (knife), motivation (highly agitated) and intent (his verbal statments). Depending on his distance from you, you're probably going to use pepper or taze him. Now he starts running at you. Is THIS a shoot situation? Now add some changes...the responding officer is a 110 lb female. Does the shoot/no shoot bar drop? Yes, it does. Same situation but the subject says I'm going in to my house right now and kill my wife and turns and runs toward the front door of a house. Do you shoot or hope he won't cary through? Talk about gambling with someone's life!!!

Now make that decision at 2 am and in about 2 seconds.

99.99999 percent of cops are unbiased?

Thats a crock of ****.

The vast majority of cops are conservative. So they absolutely have bias which is why they react differently to minorities, , Hispanic immigrants and the LGBT community as opposed to gun toting Cletuses.

Tamir Rice was a 12 year old playing with a toy gun and the cops slaughtered him. You tell me how that was justified?

[Wildcat Khan]

Absolutely, total agreement there.

I maintain the position however that most of the rioting is either caused by political radicals or by people just trying to loot and are using the commotion as an excuse to cause damage. Do some of the protesters get mixed up in it? Absolutely - but most of them went home. Many of them gathered past the curfew as an act of civil disobedience. Most of them were zip-tied without any incident. Actually - some footage showed the protestors and the police having jovial conversations. They understood what they did was illegal and they'd be arrested and the police were doing their jobs, the officers understood they were non-violent, compliant, and were upset about societal issues. I suppose if you're gonna break the law, that's the proper way to do it. Nobody got hurt, no damage was caused.

What the media didn't show, conveniently, was all the protests in outstate Minnesota that were incredibly peaceful. We had one in our town, no violence. Fox News doesn't rake in ad revenue by showing that off, though - they need to divide people and sell their narrative to paint the BLM activists as violent, and neither does CNN for that matter. The only incident I recall off the top of my head outside of the Twin Cities was a small group of kids tried breaking into the Mankato Target. The police quickly apprehended them and they didn't get past the first set of doors. I believe some at the scene were trying to stop them, and some were obviously there to document it.

The Minneapolis riots were really kicked off when a guy wielding a hammer and umbrella calmly broke the windows of the AutoZone near the precinct. It was caught on film. What was also caught on film were a group of protesters yelling and screaming at him to stop - again, not shown by national media. He was dubbed "Umbrella Man" and after an MPD investigation, was found to be a white supremacist trying to incite violence. He succeeded. I never bought into the conspiracy theory that he was an agent provocateur from the St. Paul PD, turns out he was a right wing radical that got the left wing radicals to tear down the city.

That sounds like the typical May Day protests/riots in Seattle. Most get permits to block certain streets downtown and are 100% peaceful. When others join them and start violence, the protesters are upset with the rioters and sometimes even alert police to what is going on. I never see that on national news, but do on local news when they actually interview the peaceful protesters.

I also remember the white policeman in June that joined the protest march over George Floyd, again something that appears to be forgotten when talking about police.

[SW_Mustang]

People, at least athletes, social media warriors and a large segment of what passes for the media now days doesn't care about a police officer dying. Heck, I say there is a significant group that thinks any police officer being killed is warranted.

I wonder how many posters in this little slice of the internet have gone to their Twitter account and said anything in favor of the police??

A couple months ago - a cop I follow on Instagram made a post talking about how some people have asked if he ever considered quitting to avoid getting lumped in with the "bad cops." He said "Absolutely not."

I responded and told him that if he quit, there'd be one less good cop in the world - and we needed him for that reason.

As far as Twitter goes, I haven't said much either way - had a couple conversations about the NBA and the double homicide in Kenosha. I did praise KPD for apprehending the criminal without incident, but I was misinformed as he had made it back to Antioch and was apprehended there. Being that's really a he-said-she-said finger pointing situation, I'm withholding an opinion on the actions of the police department until better information comes out.

Dangit, I just remembered I'd intended to write a letter to the officer in Sioux Falls who checked in on me one evening and to let him know I'd made it home safely that night and to thank him for his concern. Totally forgot to do that, it was just after I graduated and I was caught up looking for a job. I do think of him every time I look at my SFPD die cast car though.

[boatcapt]

Again, we agree completely - lots of people on both sides are jumping to conclusions before the details come out. You are also probably right in the sense that the vast majority of shootings are probably justified.

Even if it's a low percentage of shootings that aren't justified, that still equates to a lot of people - and we can be doing work to make things better.

If I understand the BLM argument, police are racially profiling and actively targeting blacks and then shooting them with no provocation or legitimate reason. And that these police killings are happening in epidemic numbers across the country.. We have been told that to suggest that it isn't happening or that the numbers don't bear out the wholesale slaughter of blacks at the hands of the police proves you are a racist and you therefore are subject to attack, both on the internet and physically. That to even utter the phrase All Lives Matter again shows you to be a racist and subject to attack.

As I've said before, the numbers don't support the views of BLM. Yet, they hold America hostage and drive an untrue narrative that does nothing but divide the country.

[NWHoops]

Yes, we all have bias (Even the NCAA selection committees!). But very few police officers act on those biases while they are working. Cant say it never happens but as with the number of police shootings of unarmed African Americans, the number is small.

I offer water to everyone I arrest and keep a pac of cigarettes to give one to arestees....I will also minimize what they have done. They are called conversation starters. Trying to develop a level of trust with the arestee to get him/her to talk. Heck, I've even told pedophiles that I didn't see anything wrong with what they did. THAT was hard given the fact that I just wanted to take them down a dirt road and shoot them in the back of the head.

Completely understand. I know many officers who are fabulous people and great at their job. I also know many who were a$$holes before becoming officers and use it as a power trip. I have good friends who are officers. Believe me, I know it's a small minority who are not doing the right things.

Unfortunately, when other professions act on their bias it results in poor customer service, rejection of applicants for jobs/loans, etc. Police are one of the few where acting immediately on those can result in death. Getting that as close to 0 as possible should be a priority.

[SW_Mustang]

I can agree with what you said there. Not all police are corrupt, not all police are good. It is just like any part of society, there are good and bad. I also want to say not all protesters are violent rioters, but the violent riots need to be stopped. The reason for stopping them shows up nicely in your post, the destruction of property that isn't police related and effects others lives such as destroying stores like that mall and the AutoZone.

Absolutely, total agreement there.

I maintain the position however that most of the rioting is either caused by political radicals or by people just trying to loot and are using the commotion as an excuse to cause damage. Do some of the protesters get mixed up in it? Absolutely - but most of them went home. Many of them gathered past the curfew as an act of civil disobedience. Most of them were zip-tied without any incident. Actually - some footage showed the protestors and the police having jovial conversations. They understood what they did was illegal and they'd be arrested and the police were doing their jobs, the officers understood they were non-violent, compliant, and were upset about societal issues. I suppose if you're gonna break the law, that's the proper way to do it. Nobody got hurt, no damage was caused.

What the media didn't show, conveniently, was all the protests in outstate Minnesota that were incredibly peaceful. We had one in our town, no violence. Fox News doesn't rake in ad revenue by showing that off, though - they need to divide people and sell their narrative to paint the BLM activists as violent, and neither does CNN for that matter. The only incident I recall off the top of my head outside of the Twin Cities was a small group of kids tried breaking into the Mankato Target. The police quickly apprehended them and they didn't get past the first set of doors. I believe some at the scene were trying to stop them, and some were obviously there to document it.

The Minneapolis riots were really kicked off when a guy wielding a hammer and umbrella calmly broke the windows of the AutoZone near the precinct. It was caught on film. What was also caught on film were a group of protesters yelling and screaming at him to stop - again, not shown by national media. He was dubbed "Umbrella Man" and after an MPD investigation, was found to be a white supremacist trying to incite violence. He succeeded. I never bought into the conspiracy theory that he was an agent provocateur from the St. Paul PD, turns out he was a right wing radical that got the left wing radicals to tear down the city.

[SW_Mustang]

We have a collection of experts on both sides that have have particular agendas and seemingly immediately will speak out about shooting with no more information than the color of the skin of the victim.

I think it starts by realizing that the number of unjustified shooting is very small by whatever metric you choose. I know at least in my slice of Law Enforcement, EVERY time an officer used any of his weapons weather it resulted in any injury or not, there is a thorough review of the officers actions (with statments from the officer and witnesses), agency policies, training and the officers past history of excessive force. And I note my agency was not unique in this review process.

Again, we agree completely - lots of people on both sides are jumping to conclusions before the details come out. You are also probably right in the sense that the vast majority of shootings are probably justified.

Even if it's a low percentage of shootings that aren't justified, that still equates to a lot of people - and we can be doing work to make things better.

[boatcapt]

Yet another Police Officer was killed last night while trying to serve the peace.

He was killed by a man resisting arrest after committing a crime. The vast majority of people across America will never hear or know his name. No one in the NBA or any other professional sport will step up on a platform to denounce this tragic action, no matter how many times it happens. Last night a child lost his father, a wife lost her husband, and a mother lost her son, but to many, his life didn't matter. No protest, no boycotts, no riots, just another statistic.

This, like many just like it didn't have to happen. Early on, when I was a child, I was told over and over by my Mother that in the event I have an encounter with the police or law enforcement, simply comply with their request and never resist. I was told if I was ever pulled over in my car, roll down my window and place my hands on the steering wheel and never do anything stupid because that officer has no idea what I may be up to, if I'm armed or my motives, so again, simply comply and live to see another day.

So, if you really love your child or children, no matter the color of their skin, please instruct them to do the same. It's truly a game changer.

People, at least athletes, social media warriors and a large segment of what passes for the media now days doesn't care about a police officer dying. Heck, I say there is a significant group that thinks any police officer being killed is warranted.

I wonder how many posters in this little slice of the internet have gone to their Twitter account and said anything in favor of the police??

[boatcapt]

Agree with all of this except the bolded. We ALL have bias, every one of us. It's what we do with that bias, understand that bias, and respond to that bias that determines whether or not it leads to discrimination. It's ok to see the differences we all have, but it's not ok to treat people better or worse based on those differences.

I think that is the concern right now- black man getting in his vehicle moving away from officers is shot 7 times in the back. White kid kills 3 people and is told what a great job he's doing and offered water by police. Charleston shooter is white and they take him alive and get him some Burger King before taking him in. Black man has counterfeit $20 and is killed by suffocation with a knee on his neck.

Yes, we all have bias (Even the NCAA selection committees!). But very few police officers act on those biases while they are working. Cant say it never happens but as with the number of police shootings of unarmed African Americans, the number is small.

I offer water to everyone I arrest and keep a pac of cigarettes to give one to arestees....I will also minimize what they have done. They are called conversation starters. Trying to develop a level of trust with the arestee to get him/her to talk. Heck, I've even told pedophiles that I didn't see anything wrong with what they did. THAT was hard given the fact that I just wanted to take them down a dirt road and shoot them in the back of the head.

[boatcapt]

We certainly agree on the bolded. Cops don't go around shooting random people in the streets.

But how do we reduce those situations where it was not justifiable? That's what people want to solve.

We have a collection of experts on both sides that have have particular agendas and seemingly immediately will speak out about shooting with no more information than the color of the skin of the victim.

I think it starts by realizing that the number of unjustified shooting is very small by whatever metric you choose. I know at least in my slice of Law Enforcement, EVERY time an officer used any of his weapons weather it resulted in any injury or not, there is a thorough review of the officers actions (with statments from the officer and witnesses), agency policies, training and the officers past history of excessive force. And I note my agency was not unique in this review process.

[Eagle74]

Yet another Police Officer was killed last night while trying to serve the peace.

He was killed by a man resisting arrest after committing a crime. The vast majority of people across America will never hear or know his name. No one in the NBA or any other professional sport will step up on a platform to denounce this tragic action, no matter how many times it happens. Last night a child lost his father, a wife lost her husband, and a mother lost her son, but to many, his life didn't matter. No protest, no boycotts, no riots, just another statistic.

This, like many just like it didn't have to happen. Early on, when I was a child, I was told over and over by my Mother that in the event I have an encounter with the police or law enforcement, simply comply with their request and never resist. I was told if I was ever pulled over in my car, roll down my window and place my hands on the steering wheel and never do anything stupid because that officer has no idea what I may be up to, if I'm armed or my motives, so again, simply comply and live to see another day.

So, if you really love your child or children, no matter the color of their skin, please instruct them to do the same. It's truly a game changer.

[NWHoops]

By an extreme margin, police don't just kill people for no reason and by a VAST margin,, most police shootings are warranted.. Also 99.99999% of police officers are unbiased and treat the people they protect fairly.

If a person presents a threat of inflicting severe bodily injury or death on either the officer or a member of society at large, deadly force is authorized. This can and sometime does include those running from the police. Couple of terms used in LE - Means, Motivation and Intent and Totality of the circumstances. Simple scenario to illustrate...officer rolls up un a scene and encounters a verbally agressive large muscular male. Individual is yelling f the police, im goung to kill them all and im going to start with you. Do you shoot or not? Clearly no. He is voicing his intent to kill you but he doesn't have the means (no weapon) and hasn't moved toward you. Now have him say the same things and put a knife in his hand...do u shoot? Still probably not even though he has the means (knife), motivation (highly agitated) and intent (his verbal statments). Depending on his distance from you, you're probably going to use pepper or taze him. Now he starts running at you. Is THIS a shoot situation? Now add some changes...the responding officer is a 110 lb female. Does the shoot/no shoot bar drop? Yes, it does. Same situation but the subject says I'm going in to my house right now and kill my wife and turns and runs toward the front door of a house. Do you shoot or hope he won't cary through? Talk about gambling with someone's life!!!

Now make that decision at 2 am and in about 2 seconds.

Agree with all of this except the bolded. We ALL have bias, every one of us. It's what we do with that bias, understand that bias, and respond to that bias that determines whether or not it leads to discrimination. It's ok to see the differences we all have, but it's not ok to treat people better or worse based on those differences.

I think that is the concern right now- black man getting in his vehicle moving away from officers is shot 7 times in the back. White kid kills 3 people and is told what a great job he's doing and offered water by police. Charleston shooter is white and they take him alive and get him some Burger King before taking him in. Black man has counterfeit $20 and is killed by suffocation with a knee on his neck.

[SW_Mustang]

By an extreme margin, police don't just kill people for no reason. If a person presents a threat of inflicting severe bodily injury or death on either the officer or a member of society at large, deadly force is authorized. This can and sometime does include those running from the police. Couple of terms used in LE - Means, Motivation and Intent and Totality of the circumstances. Simple scenario to illustrate...officer rolls up un a scene and encounters a verbally agressive large muscular male. Individual is yelling f the police, im goung to kill them all and im going to start with you. Do you shoot or not? Clearly no. He is voicing his intent to kill you but he doesn't have the means (no weapon) and hasn't moved toward you. Now have him say the same things and put a knife in his hand...do u shoot? Still probably not even though he has the means (knife), motivation (highly agitated) and intent (his verbal statments). Depending on his distance from you, you're probably going to use pepper or taze him. Now he starts running at you. Is THIS a shoot situation? Now add some changes...the responding officer is a 110 lb female. Does the shoot/no shoot bar drop? Yes, it does. Same situation but the subject says I'm going in to my house right now and kill my wife and turns and runs toward the front door of a house. Do you shoot or hope he won't cary through? Talk about gambling with someone's life!!!

Now make that decision at 2 am and in about 2 seconds.

We certainly agree on the bolded. Cops don't go around shooting random people in the streets.

But how do we reduce those situations where it was not justifiable? That's what people want to solve.

[boatcapt]

By an extreme margin, police don't just kill people for no reason and by a VAST margin,, most police shootings are warranted.. Also 99.99999% of police officers are unbiased and treat the people they protect fairly.

If a person presents a threat of inflicting severe bodily injury or death on either the officer or a member of society at large, deadly force is authorized. This can and sometime does include those running from the police. Couple of terms used in LE - Means, Motivation and Intent and Totality of the circumstances. Simple scenario to illustrate...officer rolls up un a scene and encounters a verbally agressive large muscular male. Individual is yelling f the police, im goung to kill them all and im going to start with you. Do you shoot or not? Clearly no. He is voicing his intent to kill you but he doesn't have the means (no weapon) and hasn't moved toward you. Now have him say the same things and put a knife in his hand...do u shoot? Still probably not even though he has the means (knife), motivation (highly agitated) and intent (his verbal statments). Depending on his distance from you, you're probably going to use pepper or taze him. Now he starts running at you. Is THIS a shoot situation? Now add some changes...the responding officer is a 110 lb female. Does the shoot/no shoot bar drop? Yes, it does. Same situation but the subject says I'm going in to my house right now and kill my wife and turns and runs toward the front door of a house. Do you shoot or hope he won't cary through? Talk about gambling with someone's life!!!

Now make that decision at 2 am and in about 2 seconds.