Joining leagues

[MinnequaFats]

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I wonder if that helped in recruiting Yakima area kids. Actually having an annual game in Spokane, Yakima, Tri-Cities, Vancouver, Seattle may not be a bad idea as all have venues that could be used. Maybe the WOU game in Portland/Vancouver for example if early in the year, that way less travel for WOU,

Wild (and admittedly probably not realistic) idea. Add a 3rd game vs all GNAC opponents at neutral sight. SFU vc CWU in Seattle, CWU vs WOU in Portland, Have APU playing their 3rd games at the Redwood Bowl (make HSU see what they are missing without football), something along those lines, Gets every GNAC an extra game on the schedule. I imagine facility rental might be cost prohibitive.

[the tav]

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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...-i-status.html

If the WAC becomes a football conference does Southern Utah, Northern Arizona and Northern Colorado leave the Big Sky and join the WAC. We all know that CWU athletic budget isn't even close to the poorest of Big Sky athletic budgets. But with lack of D2 teams out west and the growing expenses in travel filling out a schedule. Does CWU bite the bullet and join the Big Sky if those teams leave for the WAC. CWU would have bus rides to Portland, Cheney, Pocatello, Bozeman, Moscow, and Missoula. Just food for thought

[Wildcat Khan]

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Which they still had to do two weeks later in Yakima.

I wonder if that helped in recruiting Yakima area kids. Actually having an annual game in Spokane, Yakima, Tri-Cities, Vancouver, Seattle may not be a bad idea as all have venues that could be used. Maybe the WOU game in Portland/Vancouver for example if early in the year, that way less travel for WOU,

[Goods]

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The EWU/TAMUK change was due to the home facility not being ready, and it would necessitate the rental of another venue.

Which they still had to do two weeks later in Yakima.

[ctrabs74]

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Chicago State can barely keep the doors open and they're trying to play D-1 sports. Why not find the nearest D2, D3, or NAIA league in the city of Chicago, where most of your travel is across town and call it a day. You'll never, ever win anything in D-1, never place in golf, track, cross country; never make either men's or women's hoop tourney, get last in your conference in most sports, draw 500 for men's hoops, etc. Why keep playing this silly D-1 game?

The phrase(s) that pay are "Chicago" and "State (of Illinois)" ... not exactly two sterling examples of competent governance.

[Runnin' Cat]

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Desperate for games. CWU is very happy with DII, and it fits the model quite well. The EWU/TAMUK change was due to the home facility not being ready, and it would necessitate the rental of another venue. Thew average take on a FCS type game is very small. When CWU went to Montana in 2008, they got a little over 100k. The EWU payout was a lot smaller.

[tsull]

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People are stupid, Tim.

I find the inverse to be crazy as well. Just because the WAC is "interested" in a school doesn't mean they should consider it. They are "interested" in Dixie State for the sake of their own survival. Dixie State has an enrollment of 5,529 and an athletic budget of $6,721,281. That's as "D2" as "D2" gets. But because the WAC is trying to survive they will feed into the egos of current administrators and get them to make decisions that could be detrimental in the long term.

What I don't get is why not try and go out and win D2 titles? Dixie doesn't win anything. They're in a great running area, they don't have any cross country championships. They draw 4K a game in hoop. They don't win hoop titles or advance to the NCAA D2 tournament as often as they should. They don't win that much in football.

Why not get to 36 football scholarships, build facilities like Grand Valley, and kick butt there? Southern Utah went FCS/D-1 and outside of a Big Sky title a couple years ago, they're not very impressive. Does the average student really like to watch loser D-1 teams vs. winning D2 teams? In WOU's recent men's hoop regional playoff runs, they've drawn crowds better than half the Big Sky.

The worst thing, however, is all these schools jumping up have to crank up student fees just to survive in FCS/D-1.

[Brandon]

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Chicago State can barely keep the doors open and they're trying to play D-1 sports. Why not find the nearest D2, D3, or NAIA league in the city of Chicago, where most of your travel is across town and call it a day. You'll never, ever win anything in D-1, never place in golf, track, cross country; never make either men's or women's hoop tourney, get last in your conference in most sports, draw 500 for men's hoops, etc. Why keep playing this silly D-1 game?

People are stupid, Tim.

I find the inverse to be crazy as well. Just because the WAC is "interested" in a school doesn't mean they should consider it. They are "interested" in Dixie State for the sake of their own survival. Dixie State has an enrollment of 5,529 and an athletic budget of $6,721,281. That's as "D2" as "D2" gets. But because the WAC is trying to survive they will feed into the egos of current administrators and get them to make decisions that could be detrimental in the long term.

[tsull]

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Right. The WAC is D1 in name only. They're an actor who has appeared as an extra in a movie while waiting tables in LA saying they're part of "the movie industry."

California Baptist University - 5,878 & $16,034,476
California State University, Bakersfield - 7,062 & $16,134,125
Chicago State University 1,464 & $5,118,291
Grand Canyon University - 14,542 & $22,250,576
University of Missouri-Kansas City - 6,528 & $15,094,615
New Mexico State University - 9,825 & $22,448,424
Seattle University - 4,463 & $16,939,399
The University of Texas Rio Grande Valley - 17,844 & $10,870,206
Utah Valley University. - 16,975 & $12,034,215

Only Grand Canyon and New Mexico State have budgets that even make me think D1.

Chicago State can barely keep the doors open and they're trying to play D-1 sports. Why not find the nearest D2, D3, or NAIA league in the city of Chicago, where most of your travel is across town and call it a day. You'll never, ever win anything in D-1, never place in golf, track, cross country; never make either men's or women's hoop tourney, get last in your conference in most sports, draw 500 for men's hoops, etc. Why keep playing this silly D-1 game?

[Brandon]

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The WAC is recruiting every D2 school in the West with a pulse. I can see joining D1 in many cases, but the WAC is a sinking ship. Everyone in it is trying to get out with the exception of Chicago State, who's just trying to stay alive from day to day.

Right. The WAC is D1 in name only. They're an actor who has appeared as an extra in a movie while waiting tables in LA saying they're part of "the movie industry."

California Baptist University - 5,878 & $16,034,476
California State University, Bakersfield - 7,062 & $16,134,125
Chicago State University 1,464 & $5,118,291
Grand Canyon University - 14,542 & $22,250,576
University of Missouri-Kansas City - 6,528 & $15,094,615
New Mexico State University - 9,825 & $22,448,424
Seattle University - 4,463 & $16,939,399
The University of Texas Rio Grande Valley - 17,844 & $10,870,206
Utah Valley University. - 16,975 & $12,034,215

Only Grand Canyon and New Mexico State have budgets that even make me think D1.

[Techster88]

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[Techster88]

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First off, thanks Brandon for posting that you can't start the NCAA in D-1. I thought you could start in FCS, but you can't do that.

Also, you can't just join a league because you want to. A couple years ago (mostly on the hoops board) they said WWU was going D-1 in hoops. I asked the question: "Which league are they joining?" It wasn't the WCC (private schools only), the Big Sky (have to have football), the Big West (which wants mostly California-only schools), or the WAC. Someone came up with the Great West, which no longer exists.

WWU -- like college hockey -- doesn't move the needle anywhere. They're in a remote town with a tiny gym and don't draw that well by D-1 standards. Why would a California school sign off on that? Heck, a perfect fit for the WCC is Seattle U., and that conference (mostly Gonzaga) doesn't want them in, so they're in the far-flung WAC.

If you want to move to something other than the 50-team RMAC, you have to have things in place: D-1 facilities, D-1 attendance, D-1 budget, etc. The NCAA by allowing 355 hoop teams -- mostly D-1annabees, who have no business playing D-1 -- has diluted their product and made everyone think they can be D-1. Heck, half the Big Sky shouldn't be D-1.

* Speaking of the Big Sky, CWU is playing the University of Idaho next year in Moscow. I like CWU's chances.

Wow, sounds like your describing New Mexico State. They check all the boxes but are in such a remote location no one wants them.

[North Ala Screwdriver]

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The WAC won't sponsor football, thus Dixie needs to try and get into the Big Sky if they want to keep football. NAU isn't far from Dixie, they have football and are in the Big Sky. Idaho and New Mexico State and others were in the WAC for football, everyone left for the Mountain West; UI and NMSU to the Sun Belt, which told them to leave. Idaho elected to go FCS (much to the chagrin of most of their boosters), while NMSU went independent (and went to a bowl game last year).

The NCAA should put a moratorium on D-1 teams; MLB and NBA don't have 355 teams. They're deluting their product. In Dixie's defense, they consistently are 1st or 2nd in D2 men's hoop attendance. Utah doesn't have the population to support all those D-1 schools -- Utah, BYU, USU, Utah Valley, Southern Utah, Weber State, etc. If Dixie goes D-1/FCS, they'll most likely have to cut football.

[tsull]

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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...-i-status.html

The WAC won't sponsor football, thus Dixie needs to try and get into the Big Sky if they want to keep football. NAU isn't far from Dixie, they have football and are in the Big Sky. Idaho and New Mexico State and others were in the WAC for football, everyone left for the Mountain West; UI and NMSU to the Sun Belt, which told them to leave. Idaho elected to go FCS (much to the chagrin of most of their boosters), while NMSU went independent (and went to a bowl game last year).

The NCAA should put a moratorium on D-1 teams; MLB and NBA don't have 355 teams. They're deluting their product. In Dixie's defense, they consistently are 1st or 2nd in D2 men's hoop attendance. Utah doesn't have the population to support all those D-1 schools -- Utah, BYU, USU, Utah Valley, Southern Utah, Weber State, etc. If Dixie goes D-1/FCS, they'll most likely have to cut football.

[Goods]

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They almost beat a great Montana team a decade or so ago, maybe less than a decade. I believe a late FG or late missed FG did them in. Montana I think played for the national title that year. WOU has played EWU (twice), Portland State, Montana State, and Sac State (a win on the road for WOU) over the years.

2008......I remember it well. FG as time expired saved Montana in front of what was then the highest attendance at Washington Grizzly Stadium. 25,000.