University of Jamestown reportedly applies for NSIC membership

[NSU4LIFE]

Would be the death of academic standards in conference affiliation. That would be terrible.

But anything is possible these days.

Academic standards and conference affiliations have virtual nothing to do with one another in today's world. Maybe it used, idk

[Stanger86]

I just don't want to see MSU isolated again, this time it's more relevant to the St. Thomas side of things than when the NCC collapsed. Having anywhere from double, triple, quadruple and even larger the enrollment sizes than most of the schools in the conference it quickly feels like the conference may be looking at things differently than a large school would.

That's been the case since the Mavs joined the NSIC though, nothing has changed or would change with a Jamestown addition.

[Stanger86]

They went 10-38-1 in their final five seasons in the NAIA. 10-49 in their first 6 seasons in Division II.

I'm not talking about Crookston or even Morris, I'm talking about Bemidji State University. Just because they aren't going to be competing for national championships right out of the gate, doesn't mean they're guaranteed to be a trash university that doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the high and mighty Minnesota State University.

[NSU4LIFE]

They went 10-38-1 in their final five seasons in the NAIA. 10-49 in their first 6 seasons in Division II.

I'm not talking about Crookston or even Morris, I'm talking about Bemidji State University. Just because they aren't going to be competing for national championships right out of the gate, doesn't mean they're guaranteed to be a trash university that doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the high and mighty Minnesota State University.

The difference, of course, is already being in a conference and getting better versus adding a school and hoping that they turn into something.

Bemidji, Moorhead and Winona have been in the conference since it began 91 years ago.

[laker]

They went 10-38-1 in their final five seasons in the NAIA. 10-49 in their first 6 seasons in Division II.

I'm not talking about Crookston or even Morris, I'm talking about Bemidji State University. Just because they aren't going to be competing for national championships right out of the gate, doesn't mean they're guaranteed to be a trash university that doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the high and mighty Minnesota State University.

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[HardRockin'Nerd]

And Mayville?

They'll go play on a farm upstate with other small public schools with rough football histories. I think Crookston lives there now..

In actuality, I hope they find a home. Got a soft spot since Mayville used to give me my only sense of joy growing up on the ramps. I feel less bad for the other DAC schools. It is funny to see the fall off that Mary and Minot State have had since going D2 where both SD Mines and BH have passed them

[HardRockin'Nerd]

The doomsday scenario for Northern would be what zimmy laid out. Northern would honestly have to look at the RMAC or somehow the MIAA rather than a reincarnation of the DAC.

Nope, the RMAC is already at its quota of teaching colleges from SD. Couldn't possibly add another

Even if this scenario were to happen, I'm hopeful the admin at SD Mines would be smart enough to stay in the RMAC. We get a TON of recruits from Colorado since SD gives Colorado in state tuition and Colorado Mines is crazy expensive. Not to mention we also get a lot of recruits from Arizona where it's easier for families to travel to Colorado than Aberdeen or Valley City

[NSU4LIFE]

Nope, the RMAC is already at its quota of teaching colleges from SD. Couldn't possibly add another

Even if this scenario were to happen, I'm hopeful the admin at SD Mines would be smart enough to stay in the RMAC. We get a TON of recruits from Colorado since SD gives Colorado in state tuition and Colorado Mines is crazy expensive. Not to mention we also get a lot of recruits from Arizona where it's easier for families to travel to Colorado than Aberdeen or Valley City

When did Tech get an athletic department?

[Stanger86]

The difference, of course, is already being in a conference and getting better versus adding a school and hoping that they turn into something.

Bemidji, Moorhead and Winona have been in the conference since it began 91 years ago.

Of course there's a difference! The point I'm making is that circumstances change. Investment changes things. Everyone is just assuming Jamestown will stay status quo, but we've seen that local folks care about UJ a lot more than many other school alums in the NSIC. Look at donations. Look at facility upgrades. UJ is middle of the pack at absolute worst in those. On-field success comes and goes. One good hire changes things. Bemidji came out of that crappy era not out of luck, but because they made a great hire. People matter. One great hire can turn around a program.

You point out those three schools. What do they have in common? Did they link up because they had the best football teams? They joined because they were all teachers' colleges. They had something in common at the university level, not the athletic level. This isn't the FBS, where everything comes down to football and the almighty dollar. Do the universities see commonalities with a school with a smaller enrollment in a town of 15,000 within an easy drive to over half of the conference schools?

[NSU4LIFE]

Of course there's a difference! The point I'm making is that circumstances change. Investment changes things. Everyone is just assuming Jamestown will stay status quo, but we've seen that local folks care about UJ a lot more than many other school alums in the NSIC. Look at donations. Look at facility upgrades. UJ is middle of the pack at absolute worst in those. On-field success comes and goes. One good hire changes things. Bemidji came out of that crappy era not out of luck, but because they made a great hire. People matter. One great hire can turn around a program.

You point out those three schools. What do they have in common? Did they link up because they had the best football teams? They joined because they were all teachers' colleges. They had something in common at the university level, not the athletic level. This isn't the FBS, where everything comes down to football and the almighty dollar. Do the universities see commonalities with a school with a smaller enrollment in a town of 15,000 within an easy drive to over half of the conference schools?

Ok, so Crookston just needs a good hire and the portal and they are golden.

DWU and DSU are making as many upgrades as Jamestown. Dakota State has higher enrollment.

When USF joined they were near the top of the GPAC in the all-Sports standings. Jamestown hasnt finished higher than 8th out of 12 during their stay.

Track and field and xc are the easiest to compare across landscapes. Today Jamestown finished 32 of 37 at Griak beating only CSP of the NSIC. In men's they finished 25 of 32 beating only Crookston and SMSU, two programs that have barely existed. In track is essentially the same.

Jamestown going to compete in Volleyball? Maybe finish top 10 as the NSIC is insanely strong. Womens wrestling, gone, mens Volleyball, gone.

I would absolutely take that bet that they arent a middle of the pack NSIC team.

In the end, whatever happens happens but i guess if I was a strong conference, I wouldn't just take someone on because of what they may become

I picked those three as they were original members who have never left...that is all. And yes, it was a teachers college conference. Back then sports were not nearly as important or demanding of funds and wins as they are now. Back then they played high schools, lol

[Purple Mav Man]

Jamestown adds nothing but an even number. And blackjack tables in bars/restaurants. Unless the NSIC wants another tiny school that can maybe get one program up to speed, similar to the way UIU finally got there in mens hoops. Other than that, they are JV. No matter who they hire to the middle of ND…

UMary would be a decent comp at this point. Not sure the conference needs another but that’s not our decision (probably thankfully).

The biggest question, and I realize MSU was in this position previously but I’d like to think that the Mavs brought more to the table than UJ: Who needs who more? UJ definitely needs the NSIC more than the NSIC needs UJ.

[HardRockin'Nerd]

When did Tech get an athletic department?

Basically when we went D2 and started to try. Although I will say Womens BBall has always been pretty good especially under Felderman in the olden SDIC and DAC days.

I wish we could’ve played more of the in state schools when I was playing at Tech. Had a lot of teammates and guys I played against in high school go off to Northern. Pretty happy that Sullivan came back though, worked out well for us haha

[SW_Mustang]

Academic standards and conference affiliations have virtual nothing to do with one another in today's world. Maybe it used, idk

Absolutely has everything to do with it. The idea of a non AAU school like NDSU getting into the Big10 is beyond hilarious. Nebraska got into the Big10 because they were AAU at the time, then got kicked out of the AAU for not having a medical school.

Like saying Crookston has a chance to join the MIAC or any school joining the Ivy League

EDIT: That may change, obviously. Who knows in today's world. I don't want the Dakota schools anywhere near the Big10 though. That would be insanely embarrassing for the current member schools.

[NSU4LIFE]

Absolutely has everything to do with it. The idea of a non AAU school like NDSU getting into the Big10 is beyond hilarious. Nebraska got into the Big10 because they were AAU at the time, then got kicked out of the AAU for not having a medical school.

Like saying Crookston has a chance to join the MIAC or any school joining the Ivy League

EDIT: That may change, obviously. Who knows in today's world. I don't want the Dakota schools anywhere near the Big10 though. That would be insanely embarrassing for the current member schools.

I think you are in the wrong message board...

So the big ten adding Oregon was all about the incredible education one gets at OU and nothing to do with football or money. LOL...sometimes you can spend too much time chasing degrees

[SW_Mustang]

I think you are in the wrong message board...

So the big ten adding Oregon was all about the incredible education one gets at OU and nothing to do with football or money. LOL...sometimes you can spend too much time chasing degrees

LOL! Oregon is an AAU member. It's a requirement for admission into the Big10.

Education isn't everything in conference alignment obviously, but they still have standards.

Maybe when they take Iowa State I'll see it differently.