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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Get to the game early. WL has a nice venue but it isn't huge. On these types of games the seating fills up really quickly.
The last time IUP played there in the Regional Final ... I remember being in my seat more than an hour before tip-off.
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Originally posted by Scrub View Post
Was that the year they botched the ticket distribution and sold more than they could hold? If so, I was part of the SRO mob that was hanging out (about several rows of people deep) just inside the tunnel leading to the home locker room. Tough way to take in a game. But, man, did I have a good look at the Scooter Renkin shot that rimmed off. He took the shot from just a few feet away from where I was standing.
But the good news for GoVSU is that WLU has--since that debacle--figured out the ticket distribution situation. I believe that they no longer sell more than will fit (and I'm sure the Fire Marshall had a word with them about that as well).
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
It's not a 'he' .. rather just a computer prediction based upon several metrics.
I also thought it was high. In fact, it's probably double what I'd be comfortable betting as a point spread.
Massey is what it is. If their logorythim built up over the course of the year says a particular number, that is what they post regardless of what people may feel is appropriate.
I would say that the point spread is based on teams performance in the regular season. Just my casual observation, teams play a little more conservatively in the playoffs and therefore, scores tend to go down.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Get to the game early. WL has a nice venue but it isn't huge. On these types of games the seating fills up really quickly.
The last time IUP played there in the Regional Final ... I remember being in my seat more than an hour before tip-off.
But the good news for GoVSU is that WLU has--since that debacle--figured out the ticket distribution situation. I believe that they no longer sell more than will fit (and I'm sure the Fire Marshall had a word with them about that as well).Last edited by Scrub; 03-11-2020, 11:45 AM.
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Originally posted by krober34 View Post
Wow, he has us losing by 14. SMH
I also thought it was high. In fact, it's probably double what I'd be comfortable betting as a point spread.
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Originally posted by GoVSUTrojans View Post
Yes. I'm driving between 6.5 and 8 hours to West Liberty, WV.
The last time IUP played there in the Regional Final ... I remember being in my seat more than an hour before tip-off.
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Originally posted by Scrub View Post
But be where? VSU & WSSU play at different venues. I assume you'll be heading to the Hilltop for the VSU game, but this is one of those moments when it stinks to have a split regional. I'm sure you'd like to see your conference mates WSSU play as well, but they'll be a couple hours away.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostHere's what Massey's computer is spitting out on the men's side:
Predictions
IUP 74
Winston-Salem 60
IUP 90% probability of winning
Shippensburg 79
Fairmont State 73
Shippensburg 71% probability of winning
West Liberty 95
Virginia State 83
West Liberty 86% probability of winning
Charleston 65
Mercyhurst 63
Charleston 54% probability of winning
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Classic example of what I call The Boat Theory. Traditionally strong programs like ESU and VSU agreeing to play each other early in the season comes with huge risk. Had ESU played a cream-puff instead ... are they headed to Indiana this weekend? Maybe.
You'll read every single November on here ... people saying November games are 'early' and 'they don't mean anything'. LOL. The freak they don't. November almost always comes back to haunt a couple teams in March. If you're projecting an upcoming bubble type team ... load up on the cream-puffs.
Run Boat's numbers. A 'win' over a jabroni is always better in the metrics than a loss to a good team. West Liberty went up to Daemen this year and lost. Very tough and risky road trip. Did that road trip cost WL the regional? Hard to say ... but it took a little heat off IUP.
If you schedule a big non-conference game ... you best win it.
1. A win ALWAYS beats a "good loss."
2. Always schedule teams you believe you have a +50% chance of beating.
3. Schedule any tough teams at home.
4. Never schedule a tough game early in the season...If you feel you must schedule a tough team, Christmas break or early January is the best time.
5. Schedule OOC games against poor teams at their house...This maximizes PI points.
6. Ideally schedule your OOC slate to have a slightly above .500 antisipated record.
Boat's Observation: If you are in a good conference you can depend on conference games to boost PI so you don't need to "schedule hard" OOC...If you are in a bad conference, you need to "make up" for conference deficiencies by scheduling harder OOC.
I don't think WLU's loss to Daemen hurt them from a playoff selection stand point this year, but in years past (or in the future), it could. Not only can it remove WLU from competing for the #1 seed, it can ALSO cause an arguably "lower" team with the same W/L to move ahead of them. Big risk for not much reward.
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Originally posted by EastStroud13 View PostIf ESU had beaten VSU way early on in the season, I have no doubts we'd be in. But that's just the way it goes.
I think Massey is a much better tool for selecting the Top 8 in any region than the collection of criteria applied and massaged by the NCAA selection committee. IMHO, any time you have a committee that has the ability to step in and massage the selections, you have a system that is bias.
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Originally posted by EastStroud13 View Post
My sarcasm apparently didn't translate well.
I disagree in turn. ESU was ranked behind VSU pretty much only because of head-to-head. With that tiebreaker, they get the 7 seed. It's that simple.
Classic example of what I call The Boat Theory. Traditionally strong programs like ESU and VSU agreeing to play each other early in the season comes with huge risk. Had ESU played a cream-puff instead ... are they headed to Indiana this weekend? Maybe.
You'll read every single November on here ... people saying November games are 'early' and 'they don't mean anything'. LOL. The freak they don't. November almost always comes back to haunt a couple teams in March. If you're projecting an upcoming bubble type team ... load up on the cream-puffs.
Run Boat's numbers. A 'win' over a jabroni is always better in the metrics than a loss to a good team. West Liberty went up to Daemen this year and lost. Very tough and risky road trip. Did that road trip cost WL the regional? Hard to say ... but it took a little heat off IUP.
If you schedule a big non-conference game ... you best win it.
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Originally posted by GoVSUTrojans View PostI'm only expecting to be there for the Friday night. I don't think WSSU or VSU gets past the first round. VSU definitely has a better shot than WSSU of moving on.
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Originally posted by GoVSUTrojans View PostI'm glad VSU scheduled quality non-conference games. Kudos to VSU! May it continue.
I'm going to be realistic. I'm only expecting to be there for the Friday night. I don't think WSSU or VSU gets past the first round. VSU definitely has a better shot than WSSU of moving on.
I really hope the tournament doesn't get cancelled due to the corona virus. Fingers crossed.
What is really bothering me is the match ups on the women's side. Bowie vs VUU in the first round? Travesty! I'm so disgusted with the NCAA. This should not be allowed.
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I'm glad VSU scheduled quality non-conference games. Kudos to VSU! May it continue.
I'm going to be realistic. I'm only expecting to be there for the Friday night. I don't think WSSU or VSU gets past the first round. VSU definitely has a better shot than WSSU of moving on.
I really hope the tournament doesn't get cancelled due to the corona virus. Fingers crossed.
What is really bothering me is the match ups on the women's side. Bowie vs VUU in the first round? Travesty! I'm so disgusted with the NCAA. This should not be allowed.
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