Rankings

[schnautza]

Re: Rankings

In all honesty, I think the Atlantic or West regions have just of good a chance as the Midwest does this year. They may not have the depth that the Midwest has, but they've got a handful of teams that are very good this year.

[schnautza]

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After last night's games, here is my breakdown of regions by counting how many teams are rated top-64

PI's (probably the worst metric for comparing regions)
Atlantic - 8
Central - 7
East - 10
Midwest - 8
South - 5
South Central - 9
Southeast - 8
West - 10

Massey
Atlantic - 7
Central - 12
East - 3
Midwest - 14
South - 3
South Central - 11
Southeast - 3
West - 11

Wilson (VERY west heavy this season. I question it's validity this year. Like having a 9-9 team at #27. Also missing some games)
Atlantic - 6
Central - 11
East - 4
Midwest - 10
South - 4
South Central - 9
Southeast - 2
West - 18

Bennett (Also West-heavy)
Atlantic - 7
Central - 11
East - 0
Midwest - 8
South - 4
South Central - 13
Southeast - 3
West - 17

[alumnifan]

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The Central region is hosting the Elite 8 if I remember correctly. That certainly is not hurting that region. All I was really saying is the Midwest has a better than average chance to win the national title.

Massey is really the gold standard in athletic ratings.

[schnautza]

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While each system has it's flaws...I'd say that I pretty much agree with the "AVERAGE" column's top end.

1	7 Bellarmine	5 Bellarmine	14 Bellarmine	11 Southern Indiana	1.25 Bellarmine
2	12 Southern Indiana	7 Southern Indiana	16 Southern Indiana	13 Bellarmine	1.75 Southern Indiana
3	14 Ferris State	8 Ferris State	19 Wisconsin-Parkside	17 Kentucky Wesleyan	3.50 Ferris State
4	26 Kentucky Wesleyan	10 Kentucky Wesleyan	22 Ferris State	21 Ferris State	4.00 Kentucky Wesleyan
5	38 Wisconsin-Parkside	17 Wisconsin-Parkside	35 Kentucky Wesleyan	39 Findlay	4.75 Wisconsin-Parkside
6	40 Truman State	35 Findlay	47 Quincy	43 Wisconsin-Parkside	6.50 Findlay
7	47 Quincy	41 Quincy	51 Findlay	53 Wayne State (Mich.)	7.25 Quincy
8	53 Findlay	43 Ashland	53 Ashland	54 Lake Superior State	9.00 Truman State
9	65 Wayne State (Mich.)	44 Truman State	53 Truman State	57 Quincy	9.00 Ashland
10	68 Ashland	48 Lake Superior State	60 Drury	60 Ashland	10.75 Lake Superior State
11	90 Lake Superior State	50 Wayne State (Mich.)	69 Lewis	62 Michigan Tech	11.00 Wayne State (Mich.)
12	96 Michigan Tech	53 Michigan Tech	74 Saginaw Valley State	66 Grand Valley State	13.25 Michigan Tech
13	100 Drury	56 Grand Valley State	76 Indianapolis	73 Truman State	13.50 Grand Valley State
14	102 Grand Valley State	69 Indianapolis	82 Lake Superior State	91 Indianapolis	14.50 Indianapolis
15	107 Ohio Dominican	82 Ohio Dominican	90 Grand Valley State	101 Drury	14.75 Drury
16	111 Walsh	88 Walsh	92 Rockhurst	108 Lewis	15.50 Lewis
17	118 Indianapolis	92 Lewis	97 Wayne State (Mich.)	110 Ohio Dominican	17.00 Ohio Dominican
18	123 Lewis	96 Hillsdale	100 Michigan Tech	114 Saginaw Valley State	17.25 Saginaw Valley State
19	127 Rockhurst	97 Saginaw Valley State	103 Walsh	118 Hillsdale	17.75 Walsh
20	131 Saginaw Valley State	107 Rockhurst	107 Hillsdale	134 Walsh	19.00 Rockhurst
21	138 Hillsdale	110 Drury	139 Ohio Dominican	140 Rockhurst	19.50 Hillsdale
22	181 Alderson Broaddus	139 Northern Michigan	144 Missouri-St. Louis	182 Tiffin	23.50 Missouri-St. Louis
23	183 Missouri S&T	145 Tiffin	178 Missouri S&T	185 Missouri-St. Louis	23.75 Tiffin
24	200 Davis & Elkins	182 Missouri-St. Louis	191 Northern Michigan	204 Northern Michigan	24.25 Northern Michigan
25	201 Tiffin	185 Missouri S&T	206 Tiffin	207 Cedarville	24.50 Missouri S&T
26	201 Missouri-St. Louis	201 Alderson Broaddus	213 Northwood	211 Davis & Elkins	25.75 Alderson Broaddus
27	204 Northern Michigan	209 Davis & Elkins	218 Alderson Broaddus	218 Missouri S&T	27.00 Davis & Elkins
28	217 Saint Joseph's	214 Northwood	219 Saint Joseph's	222 Alderson Broaddus	28.75 Saint Joseph's
29	224 Malone	220 Cedarville	226 McKendree	239 Saint Joseph's	29.00 Northwood
30	239 Cedarville	222 Saint Joseph's	233 William Jewell	245 Northwood	29.50 Cedarville
31	246 Oakland City	237 Lake Erie	236 Davis & Elkins	250 Illinois Springfield	32.25 Illinois Springfield
32	251 Northwood	247 Illinois Springfield	236 Illinois Springfield	254 McKendree	32.50 William Jewell
33	256 William Jewell	250 William Jewell	240 Trevecca Nazarene	255 Lake Erie	32.75 McKendree
34	268 McKendree	266 Malone	243 Cedarville	263 William Jewell	33.25 Malone
35	277 Illinois Springfield	284 Trevecca Nazarene	257 Malone	275 Malone	34.50 Lake Erie
36	282 Lake Erie	285 McKendree	265 Oakland City	278 Maryville	35.50 Trevecca Nazarene
37	283 Trevecca Nazarene	288 Maryville	267 Maryville	283 Trevecca Nazarene	35.75 Oakland City
38	300 Maryville	307 Oakland City	269 Lake Erie	306 Oakland City	37.00 Maryville
39	304 Ohio Valley	315 Salem International	308 Salem International	316 Salem International	39.25 Salem International
40	305 Salem International	316 Ohio Valley	309 Ohio Valley	317 Ohio Valley	39.75 Ohio Valley

[kwcpantherfan]

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As usual it's apparent that there are multiple tournament-worthy teams that will have to be left out from our region again this year. Ashland, Indy (now), Mich Tech (now), Lake Superior, to name a few. Especially with Indy and Mich Tech, their poor performance early in the season will have sunk them if they don't rally and end up winning their conference tourneys.

[Knightmoves]

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I wouldn't want to be 7 or 8 going into the conference tournaments. Indy will have a real shot at winning the GLVC tournament. If Ferris keeps winning and they host the conf. tournament, they are likely to prevent a surprise winner. The real controversy would occur if KWC loses in their conf tourney (extremely unlikely). I think KWC is still good enough to make the tournament, but a team who is probably around the 30th best team in the region would make it.

[KnightStalker]

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Ferris put it to GVSU last night. They have two road games left, Wayne St. and Northwood. Hardest game may be Michigan Tech at home. Will be very difficult to top them if they win out. Twenty three in a row would be a heck of a statement. Frankly, only BU would have an argument and they would need to win out as well which would put them on a 15 game winning streak. I think at this point Ferris will have an easier time winning out than BU due to their home court advantage in the GLIAC tourney.

[Tyler Madsen]

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I wouldn't want to be 7 or 8 going into the conference tournaments. Indy will have a real shot at winning the GLVC tournament. If Ferris keeps winning and they host the conf. tournament, they are likely to prevent a surprise winner. The real controversy would occur if KWC loses in their conf tourney (extremely unlikely). I think KWC is still good enough to make the tournament, but a team who is probably around the 30th best team in the region would make it.

These are really great points, Knight. With three auto bids in the region, two of those are really up for grabs this year (I'm penciling in KWC to not lose the rest of the way, including conference tournament). Teams like UIndy, Quincy, Truman, Drury and Lewis in the GLVC, along with Ashland, Michigan Tech, and Lake State in the GLIAC are all teams that - under the right circumstances - could run the table and steal a conference's auto bid. Some of those teams are likely to be ranked, but I would guess they would be - at best - in that 6, 7, 8 range anyway, meaning they had better win to stay in.

Teams I think - at the moment - can feel a little bit better (in no particular order) are: Bellarmine, USI, Parkside, Ferris, Findlay, KY Wesleyan

[Knightmoves]

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6.5 hours from Louisville to FSU.

Nothing personal, but we really need them to lose a game or two.

[The Looter]

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Big Rapids is beautiful in March. Savor the roadtrip.

[PantherExpress]

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Big Rapids is beautiful in March. Savor the roadtrip.

dream on

[Knightmoves]

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Big Rapids is beautiful in March. Savor the roadtrip.

Is Big Rapids bigger or better than Grand Rapids? Grand Rapids sounds like it should be prettier than Big Rapids. I guess the white man who first came upon the place that is now Grand Rapids said, "my those rapids are Grand!". Similarly, the less poetic guy who found Big Rapids must have just said "them rapids is BIG!"

[KnightStalker]

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DIISIDA regional poll this week:

Midwest Region
Rank School (First Place Votes) Record Points Prev.
1. Bellarmine (3) 18-3 30 1
2. Ferris State 17-3 27 3
3. Southern Indiana 19-2 24 2
4. Wisconsin-Parkside 17-3 21 4
5. Kentucky Wesleyan 18-2 18 5
6. Quincy 18-4 15 7
7. Findlay 15-5 12 6
8. Truman State 16-5 9 8
9. Grand Valley State 13-7 4 NR
10. Indianapolis 11-8 2 NR

Looks as though the 3 voters are pretty much identical on the top 8 with a little variance on who should be 9 and 10. I think it is pretty much right on for now.

[Taco Tico]

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[alumnifan]

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I would LOVE to see KWC play UWP and USI in Louisville, Kentucky.

Wesleyan's last game as a member of the GLVC was a loss to UWP at the Ford Center.

The Panthers also lost to UWP in Wisconsin last season in the regional tournament.

Just playing in Kentucky in the regional would be lovely.