Performance Indicators 2016-17

[CCAA_Fanatic]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

I've looked through the top 15 West teams so far and have found ZERO mistakes. I don't have time to dig through 310 teams schedules on a daily basis, so PLEASE be specific if you think there is a mistake. At least give me a team name.

The CCAA records look right to me. I appreciate you posting the PI. I had never seen or even heard of it before this year.

[tsull]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

How about telling me where you think the mistakes are? That would be a lot more productive than a snarky comment. And it is the first mention you've made that there may be mistakes.

WOU is 13-11, not 12-10; CWU is 12-10 not 10-10; NNU is 11-11, not 8-10 ... MSUB is 13-11, not 12-10; St. Martin's is 14-10, not 11-10.

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

WOU is 13-11, not 12-10; CWU is 12-10 not 10-10; NNU is 11-11, not 8-10 ...

The catch here is that only NCAAII games count. The schools' reported records will not match because there are also D3, NAIA, etc games mixed in. I've filtered those out - that is also what makes it very difficult for me to double-check every school. I have to manually sort through every game on the schedule to determine if they count or not.

[tsull]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

The catch here is that only NCAAII games count. The schools' reported records will not match because there are also D3, NAIA, etc games mixed in. I've filtered those out - that is also what makes it very difficult for me to double-check every school. I have to manually sort through every game on the schedule to determine if they count or not.

Fair enough. WOU's only non-d2 game was vs. a D-1 and they lost, so they're getting a win taken off their slate somewhere.

[CCAA_Fanatic]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Fair enough. WOU's only non-d2 game was vs. a D-1 and they lost, so they're getting a win taken off their slate somewhere.

I think Westminster is not a D2? They will be soon, but not as of yet. Sonoma doesn't get that win, either.

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Fair enough. WOU's only non-d2 game was vs. a D-1 and they lost, so they're getting a win taken off their slate somewhere.

I found the error - Feb 4 score was reported backwards (Seattle Pacific)
In a second, I'll update the table.

Also, for the record, Westminster DOES count, but Portland Bible does not.
Thanks for the extra set of eyes. I depend on you all to check me now and then.

[tsull]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

I think Westminster is not a D2? They will be soon, but not as of yet. Sonoma doesn't get that win, either.

Westminster is in the 50-team RMAC. WOU did not count Portland Bible, it was an exhibition.

[tsull]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

I found the error - Feb 4 score was reported backwards (Seattle Pacific)
In a second, I'll update the table.

Also, for the record, Westminster DOES count, but Portland Bible does not.
Thanks for the extra set of eyes. I depend on you all to check me now and then.

No problem, sorry for the misunderstanding. The night of the WOU win over SPU, GNAC headquarters initially posted it as an SPu victory before changing it hours later.

Keep up the good work, nice to have someone very interested in D2 hoops.

[Rob_AK]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

UAA wins a game; Dixie State loses one and they are the same P.I. differential as before. This example illustrates some of the issues with the P.I.

Chico was in 2nd at 14-2; now at 16-5 they are in fourth. Think losing 3 of 5 would cost you more than a couple of spots. I am sure it would in regional poling. Hope the committee doesn't give a whole lot of credence to a thin P.I. margin for one team over another.

[northernGNAChoopfan]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

For those of you who like me have only a vague idea of these charts and want to understand them a little more, I just found some links that may be useful?

PI = http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-...rney-selection
Scroll down the the bottom part of this page where it explains exactly how PI is calculated and where it comes from...

To look at last years NCAA DII west region PI/RPI chart go to: http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketb...2/nabc-coaches
Once you're there you will see the NABC poll from Feb 7th. Click the down area and select regional rankings. Then the last ranking that came out last March will pop up. Scroll down past the west region ranking and at the very bottom of the page you see the regions listed again in blue and they are links. Click on the West link. That will open a window for the official NCAA chart similar to Schnautza's. In the far right column you'll see the RPI & rank. It looks very true to how regionals were seeded and you can see Humboldt listed there in the 11th rank and they snuck in and stole either UAF or Dixie's 8th seed...

Then if you're like me and you're wondering okay, that's PI, but this chart calls it RPI... Go to: http://www.rpiratings.com/WhatisRPI.php

I don't know if this helps anyone, but after a while of looking at something, it's kinda nice to know exactly what you're looking at. I remember puzzling over the NCAA chart which I think Stump helped me find last year (thanks!) when UAF didn't get to sneak in. Hope all these links work.

[CCAA_Fanatic]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

UAA wins a game; Dixie State loses one and they are the same P.I. differential as before. This example illustrates some of the issues with the P.I.

Chico was in 2nd at 14-2; now at 16-5 they are in fourth. Think losing 3 of 5 would cost you more than a couple of spots. I am sure it would in regional poling. Hope the committee doesn't give a whole lot of credence to a thin P.I. margin for one team over another.

There is a difference between beating Billings at home vs' losing to the best team in the region.

In Chico's defense, they did lose to 3 top-10 teams in the region. OK, taking my pro-CCAA hat off, they should be lower in the regional rankings. Maybe 7th?

[Rob_AK]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

UAA also beat its rival UAF on the road during that time. Just sayin. Not quite sure Cal San Marcos is a top 10 team in the region, but they are definitely a good team by any measure. Problem is that Chico lost to them at home. And MSUB isn't that far down in the rankings (57 win % compared to 61% for CalSM). A home win over MSUB should not be equal to a home loss to Cal San Marcos. And the other two losses could almost be termed blowouts - they didn't really make SFState or Sonoma sweat as they lost by 14 and 16 respectively (something the PI does not take into account).

One other thing that isn't taken into account is the competitiveness of the different conferences. Take the 2nd to last team in the GNAC, Concordia. They are 6-10 in conference. The CCAA has 4 teams at 6-10 or worse. The PacWest has 6 teams at 6-10 or worse. The GNAC's middle and lower tier teams are all very good this year. The result is that GNAC teams all have losses against less than .500 teams, since there are a bunch of teams just below .500 in the GNAC (but not by much). Concordia has 11 teams below then in the PI standings and they are 10th out of 11 in the GNAC.

The good thing is that there is still a lot of basketball to play and this will get straightened out somewhat.

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

I just combed through the NCAA stat sheets with the regional rankings and made some corrections due to errors/omissions/etc. Here's the new updated PI's - also included now are the "ranked" columns. I don't know why they've included Biola in the numbers. I disagree with that, but I'm reporting what they are including.

1	Biola	West	PWC	2-0	100.00%	19.00	66.36%	56.78%	2-0	100.00%	1-0	100.0%
7	California Baptist	West	PWC	21-2	91.30%	16.13	49.69%	50.36%	20-2	90.91%	4-2	66.7%
14	San Francisco State	West	CCAA	19-3	86.36%	15.73	46.62%	51.12%	19-3	86.36%	3-2	60.0%
16	UC San Diego	West	CCAA	19-5	79.17%	15.46	52.55%	51.77%	19-5	79.17%	3-4	42.9%
22	Western Washington	West	GNAC	18-5	78.26%	15.30	50.29%	50.35%	18-3	85.71%	3-3	50.0%
23	Hawai'i Pacific	West	PWC	18-2	90.00%	15.30	42.28%	50.57%	17-2	89.47%	3-1	75.0%
27	Chico State	West	CCAA	16-6	72.73%	15.18	56.38%	51.46%	16-6	72.73%	3-3	50.0%
30	Sonoma State	West	CCAA	17-5	77.27%	15.00	51.29%	51.26%	17-5	77.27%	2-5	28.6%
46	Alaska Anchorage	West	GNAC	15-5	75.00%	14.45	49.23%	49.87%	15-5	75.00%	1-3	25.0%
47	Dixie State	West	PWC	16-6	72.73%	14.41	49.95%	50.80%	16-6	72.73%	3-2	60.0%
64	Cal State San Marcos	West	CCAA	12-8	60.00%	13.75	57.18%	52.35%	12-8	60.00%	2-4	33.3%
76	Chaminade	West	PWC	15-6	71.43%	13.48	43.53%	49.48%	15-6	71.43%	1-3	25.0%
99	Western Oregon	West	GNAC	13-10	56.52%	12.96	52.22%	50.67%	13-10	56.52%	0-6	0.0%
112	Concordia (Calif.)	West	PWC	13-9	59.09%	12.64	52.81%	50.41%	12-8	60.00%	1-7	12.5%
125	Azusa Pacific	West	PWC	13-13	50.00%	12.42	58.11%	49.29%	12-12	50.00%	2-7	22.2%
132	Saint Martin's	West	GNAC	12-10	54.55%	12.23	48.87%	50.48%	12-10	54.55%	0-4	0.0%
136	Cal State San Bernardino	West	CCAA	10-10	50.00%	12.15	51.17%	51.83%	10-10	50.00%	1-5	16.7%
139	Montana State Billings	West	GNAC	12-10	54.55%	12.05	45.85%	50.66%	12-10	54.55%	2-3	40.0%
151	Central Washington	West	GNAC	10-10	50.00%	11.70	49.32%	50.31%	10-9	52.63%	1-2	33.3%
157	Point Loma	West	PWC	12-10	54.55%	11.59	46.64%	50.25%	12-10	54.55%	1-4	20.0%
159	Cal State LA	West	CCAA	11-13	45.83%	11.58	52.34%	51.07%	11-13	45.83%	0-6	0.0%
161	Cal State Dominguez Hills	West	CCAA	10-10	50.00%	11.55	48.84%	51.01%	10-10	50.00%	0-5	0.0%
165	Cal Poly Pomona	West	CCAA	8-11	42.11%	11.47	56.16%	51.56%	8-11	42.11%	2-4	33.3%
172	Cal State East Bay	West	CCAA	11-13	45.83%	11.25	49.97%	50.22%	11-13	45.83%	0-7	0.0%
176	Seattle Pacific	West	GNAC	11-14	44.00%	11.16	51.61%	49.70%	11-13	45.83%	0-5	0.0%
180	Northwest Nazarene	West	GNAC	8-11	42.11%	11.11	51.01%	50.48%	8-11	42.11%	1-2	33.3%
191	Alaska	West	GNAC	10-13	43.48%	10.83	49.28%	50.06%	10-13	43.48%	1-5	16.7%
201	Concordia (Ore.)	West	GNAC	7-13	35.00%	10.55	51.05%	50.72%	7-13	35.00%	0-5	0.0%
223	Dominican (Calif.)	West	PWC	9-14	39.13%	10.17	46.91%	48.51%	9-14	39.13%	0-7	0.0%
226	Humboldt State	West	CCAA	9-11	45.00%	10.10	43.81%	51.79%	9-11	45.00%	0-3	0.0%
245	Hawai'i Hilo	West	PWC	7-13	35.00%	9.50	49.61%	49.29%	7-13	35.00%	1-5	16.7%
257	Stanislaus State	West	CCAA	6-17	26.09%	9.09	51.53%	49.99%	6-17	26.09%	0-7	0.0%
258	Academy of Art	West	PWC	6-16	27.27%	9.05	48.91%	48.63%	6-16	27.27%	0-8	0.0%
276	Fresno Pacific	West	PWC	5-19	20.83%	8.42	51.54%	48.13%	5-19	20.83%	1-6	14.3%
280	Simon Fraser	West	GNAC	3-21	12.50%	8.21	56.69%	49.35%	1-19	5.00%	0-6	0.0%
285	BYU-Hawaii	West	PWC	4-17	19.05%	7.95	50.38%	48.85%	3-17	15.00%	0-7	0.0%
290	Holy Names	West	PWC	6-18	25.00%	7.75	41.44%	48.76%	6-18	25.00%	0-4	0.0%
296	Cal State Monterey Bay	West	CCAA	3-20	13.04%	7.61	51.96%	50.07%	3-20	13.04%	0-6	0.0%
303	Notre Dame de Namur	West	PWC	3-19	13.64%	7.00	49.52%	47.99%	3-19	13.64%	0-8	0.0%

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

1	Biola	West	PWC	2-0	100.00%	19.00	67.91%	55.19%	2-0	100.00%	1-0	100.0%
9	California Baptist	West	PWC	22-2	91.67%	16.04	48.73%	49.95%	21-2	91.30%	4-2	66.7%
15	San Francisco State	West	CCAA	19-3	86.36%	15.59	46.74%	51.12%	19-3	86.36%	3-2	60.0%
17	UC San Diego	West	CCAA	19-5	79.17%	15.46	52.80%	51.69%	19-5	79.17%	3-4	42.9%
22	Chico State	West	CCAA	17-6	73.91%	15.26	55.19%	51.36%	17-6	73.91%	3-3	50.0%
24	Hawai'i Pacific	West	PWC	19-2	90.48%	15.14	42.54%	50.50%	18-2	90.00%	3-1	75.0%
28	Sonoma State	West	CCAA	17-5	77.27%	15.00	51.37%	51.07%	17-5	77.27%	2-5	28.6%
39	Western Washington	West	GNAC	19-5	79.17%	14.75	49.70%	50.55%	19-3	86.36%	3-3	50.0%
45	Dixie State	West	PWC	17-6	73.91%	14.39	49.24%	50.91%	17-6	73.91%	3-2	60.0%
62	Alaska Anchorage	West	GNAC	15-6	71.43%	13.86	49.00%	49.81%	15-6	71.43%	1-3	25.0%
69	Cal State San Marcos	West	CCAA	13-8	61.90%	13.67	55.19%	52.35%	13-8	61.90%	2-4	33.3%
88	Chaminade	West	PWC	15-6	71.43%	13.19	43.48%	49.45%	15-6	71.43%	1-3	25.0%
107	Concordia (Calif.)	West	PWC	14-9	60.87%	12.83	52.28%	50.19%	13-8	61.90%	1-7	12.5%
116	Western Oregon	West	GNAC	14-10	58.33%	12.67	51.80%	50.63%	14-10	58.33%	0-6	0.0%
133	Azusa Pacific	West	PWC	13-13	50.00%	12.19	58.20%	49.36%	12-12	50.00%	2-7	22.2%
144	Cal State San Bernardino	West	CCAA	10-10	50.00%	12.00	51.30%	51.73%	10-10	50.00%	1-5	16.7%
154	Saint Martin's	West	GNAC	12-10	54.55%	11.68	48.80%	50.65%	12-10	54.55%	0-4	0.0%
160	Cal Poly Pomona	West	CCAA	8-11	42.11%	11.47	56.42%	51.26%	8-11	42.11%	2-4	33.3%
161	Cal State LA	West	CCAA	11-13	45.83%	11.46	52.08%	51.14%	11-13	45.83%	0-6	0.0%
162	Central Washington	West	GNAC	10-11	47.62%	11.43	51.26%	50.05%	10-10	50.00%	1-3	25.0%
164	Cal State Dominguez Hills	West	CCAA	10-10	50.00%	11.40	48.69%	51.11%	10-10	50.00%	0-5	0.0%
170	Point Loma	West	PWC	12-11	52.17%	11.30	48.69%	49.92%	12-11	52.17%	1-5	16.7%
179	Cal State East Bay	West	CCAA	11-13	45.83%	11.13	49.97%	50.10%	11-13	45.83%	0-7	0.0%
185	Seattle Pacific	West	GNAC	12-14	46.15%	11.04	51.39%	49.74%	12-13	48.00%	0-5	0.0%
186	Montana State Billings	West	GNAC	12-11	52.17%	11.00	45.76%	50.62%	12-11	52.17%	2-3	40.0%
196	Northwest Nazarene	West	GNAC	9-11	45.00%	10.70	49.10%	50.86%	9-11	45.00%	1-2	33.3%
210	Concordia (Ore.)	West	GNAC	8-13	38.10%	10.48	52.00%	50.52%	8-13	38.10%	1-5	16.7%
213	Alaska	West	GNAC	10-14	41.67%	10.33	49.92%	49.85%	10-14	41.67%	1-5	16.7%
230	Humboldt State	West	CCAA	9-11	45.00%	9.95	43.90%	51.63%	9-11	45.00%	0-3	0.0%
237	Dominican (Calif.)	West	PWC	9-15	37.50%	9.75	47.46%	48.71%	9-15	37.50%	0-7	0.0%
256	Hawai'i Hilo	West	PWC	7-14	33.33%	9.19	51.27%	49.20%	7-14	33.33%	1-6	14.3%
264	Stanislaus State	West	CCAA	6-18	25.00%	8.83	52.41%	50.15%	6-18	25.00%	0-8	0.0%
275	Academy of Art	West	PWC	6-17	26.09%	8.48	47.69%	48.77%	6-17	26.09%	0-8	0.0%
283	Fresno Pacific	West	PWC	5-19	20.83%	8.17	51.36%	48.26%	5-19	20.83%	1-6	14.3%
288	BYU-Hawaii	West	PWC	5-17	22.73%	7.86	48.85%	49.05%	4-17	19.05%	0-7	0.0%
292	Holy Names	West	PWC	6-19	24.00%	7.80	43.15%	48.82%	6-19	24.00%	0-5	0.0%
293	Simon Fraser	West	GNAC	3-22	12.00%	7.72	55.93%	49.45%	1-20	4.76%	0-6	0.0%
299	Cal State Monterey Bay	West	CCAA	3-21	12.50%	7.38	52.27%	50.52%	3-21	12.50%	0-6	0.0%
307	Notre Dame de Namur	West	PWC	3-19	13.64%	6.73	49.31%	48.12%	3-19	13.64%	0-8	0.0%

[tsull]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Biola? What the heck? They're not D2 and they're 25-3, not 2-0. Biola isn't in the NCAA, certainly not the PWC as indicated.