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Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
Regarding the 1918 vaccine - It was widely regarded to have been ineffective, as it was based on the premise that the flu was a bacteria, not a virus.
I think it is not useful to compare COVID-19 to the 1918 spanish flu.
1. Just look at the differences in the quality and technology of medical care. Despite all of this technology, 6% of those infected with COVID-19 between 60-69 will die, rising to 12% between 70 and 79.
2. It is a very expensive way to die, given today's medical costs. Insurance rates will rise significantly for all of us as a result
3. Much more contagious than flu.
4. Some folks have lasting side effects (e.g., COVID toes).
5. Apparently, the antibodies aren't permanent - you can get it again.
Here is the article about 1918 vaccine.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/co...nt-spanish-flu
You also hit something well that I've been trying to get across, medical technology is much better today. It shouldn't take our researchers nearly as long to isolate and that we are entering phase 3 of testing vaccines just 4 months after this ballooned in the US should give some hope. We also have much better technology to mass produce and mass distribute a vaccine compared to 1918 when train travel was the fastest travel available.
On the topic of deaths, too many are because people seek medical attention way too late. Locally most of our initial deaths from the ICU were from people that needed ICU at admittance and didn't seek help until symptoms became dire.
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Originally posted by Wildcat Khan View Post
Well, the vaccine is in the last phase of testing. I even saw a story about major testing in San Antonio about wanting people to test the vaccine, so I do have confidence in our medical professionals.
I will agree about the hysteria and getting tired of the news lieing about this being the most deadly pandemic in US history. If they say in the last 100 years that is true, but this is nothing like 1918 where 50 million died worldwide from Influenza. Even then, a vaccine was created in about a year though. I also think the current surge is from BBQ's and Fireworks two weeks ago and why I support the places saying no tailgating.
I think it is not useful to compare COVID-19 to the 1918 spanish flu.
1. Just look at the differences in the quality and technology of medical care. Despite all of this technology, 6% of those infected with COVID-19 between 60-69 will die, rising to 12% between 70 and 79.
2. It is a very expensive way to die, given today's medical costs. Insurance rates will rise significantly for all of us as a result
3. Much more contagious than flu.
4. Some folks have lasting side effects (e.g., COVID toes).
5. Apparently, the antibodies aren't permanent - you can get it again.
Here is the article about 1918 vaccine.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/co...nt-spanish-flu
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The powers that be just need to end this and call off fall sports. This country is in complete disarray and in perhaps denial about this whole thing. We certainly have our priorities all messed up when pro athletes can get tested and have results back almost immediately versus the general public waiting in line for hours and not getting results back for up to 2 weeks. It's time to be proactive instead of reactive. Missouri St. spent $26k testing just football players. That's Missouri St., not Clemson, LSU, Alabama, etc. What are they spending? Maybe they can handle that type of expense. What's the expense going to be when the rest of the athletes get back to campus? Front line people are tired, stressed to the max and overworked. In that type of working condition, mistakes get made, bad mistakes. The time has come and gone to start making tough decisions to deal with this pandemic and get it under control.
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Per Brett McMurphy, the SWAC will announce on Monday that it is canceling fall sports.
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Originally posted by CALUPA69 View PostWouldn't put too much faith in a vaccine since initial surveys indicate we would need about 100% participation rate of the population who will even consider getting the vaccination. The anti-vaxxer movement will keep 20-30% from even considering this possible solution.
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Originally posted by Wildcat Khan View Post
Well, the vaccine is in the last phase of testing. I even saw a story about major testing in San Antonio about wanting people to test the vaccine, so I do have confidence in our medical professionals.
I will agree about the hysteria and getting tired of the news lieing about this being the most deadly pandemic in US history. If they say in the last 100 years that is true, but this is nothing like 1918 where 50 million died worldwide from Influenza. Even then, a vaccine was created in about a year though. I also think the current surge is from BBQ's and Fireworks two weeks ago and why I support the places saying no tailgating.
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Originally posted by MrMustang View Post
You seem much more confident in a vaccine that I am. In addition the mass hysteria promoted with this makes starting up extremely unlikely. Even things are much better than 2-3 months ago we are now demanding masks and more lockdowns. Folks aren't interested in facts they are interested in hysteria
I will agree about the hysteria and getting tired of the news lieing about this being the most deadly pandemic in US history. If they say in the last 100 years that is true, but this is nothing like 1918 where 50 million died worldwide from Influenza. Even then, a vaccine was created in about a year though. I also think the current surge is from BBQ's and Fireworks two weeks ago and why I support the places saying no tailgating.
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Originally posted by MrMustang View Post
If tyhere are no sports the effect on enrollment will be devatstating. I'll just leave it at that. It's unfortunante so few in the University truly grasp the severity of it .
That's not what's going to happen right now. The athletes aren't being forced out. They're still SMSU students unless they choose not to be. We may lose a few... but I'm not worried. I guess we'll wait and see.
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Originally posted by UMary1 View Post1. Wabbot 9 that is probably the most logical and intelligent analysis I have seen within the last 6 months. I completely agree.
2. Mr. Mustang, you are in my thoughts and prayers. I can the pandemic has taken a toll on you. All the best.
I wish things would happen. Kids need it for their mental health. Schools need it for a vibrant campus and fiscal sustainability. College towns need it for survival. Unfortunately, fear and politics has won out over common sense.
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Originally posted by Wildcat Khan View Post
I 'm not sure I agree with this for one reason, researchers are making progress and last week a possible vaccine went into the 3rd phase of testing. Getting a vaccine is the real key and by reports they should have something between December and February. To me, that is a major change in the next 12 months and note that Hoiberg in the B1G tournament had what was the last pandemic of this scale worldwide, Influenza or as it was referred to once the Spanish Flu and we thought nothing about it despite it killing 50 million worldwide and infecting around 500 million for a much higher death rate in the outbreak of 1918.
https://www.history.com/news/1918-am...otten-pandemic for information on the Spanish flu and I think something all the media and government people talking about the flu need to read. It gives hope as we recovered, but also has a look at what not to do too.
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Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post
It's really a matter of perspective I guess. From what I've been told, our enrollment (year-to-year) is going to be better than the other MnSCU 7. The eSports program also ballooned more than originally expected. There's also the tenants in SS, they aren't going anywhere.
We don't get any revenue from sports anyway. It will be a financial blow in other areas - certainly, but not bad enough to where we can't recover.
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1. Wabbot 9 that is probably the most logical and intelligent analysis I have seen within the last 6 months. I completely agree.
2. Mr. Mustang, you are in my thoughts and prayers. I can the pandemic has taken a toll on you. All the best.
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Originally posted by Packfootball View PostThe conferences have had about 6 months to figure out how to play football this fall. Do you think they will in another 6 months for football in the spring?
The historical precedents (1918 Spanish Flu, various bubonic plague outbreaks) are of limited use, because of how much society has changed in the meantime. Technological advances have made the world as a whole more susceptible to a quick outbreak -- but also provide tools to mitigate and combat the illness. The net effect of all of this is that epidemiologists are earning their money right now. In six months playing sports might be no big deal. Or literally impossible. Or anywhere in between. Basically, everyone in charge of sports has been playing for time, and until we have some solid answers, that will continue to be their main strategy.
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