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Originally posted by UNA_Texan View Post
The field of stars against the flag pole is the position of honor. The argument was that it was like the flag on the bumper of staff cars, one side is always reversed, because the stripes are supposed to stream to the rear.
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Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post
I used to follow USA Baseball pretty closely, and they use the reversed flag on their uniforms. I've seen it so much in that context it's become normal to me now.
They've stated they use the reverse image because it simulates a waving flag when the players take the field. Is that the same reason why the military uses the reverse image, or is there another reason?
EDIT: Obviously not "taking the field," I just mean it simulates the "waving flag."
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Originally posted by UNA_Texan View PostI found it unusual when they had to alter the US Flag Code, thus having the flag worn on US military uniforms, but also in muted camo on different forms of battle dress. Even more confusing to many is the reversed form of the US flag, when worn on the right shoulder...this is done so the field of stars is always forward, and the stripe stream to the rear.
They've stated they use the reverse image because it simulates a waving flag when the players take the field. Is that the same reason why the military uses the reverse image, or is there another reason?
EDIT: Obviously not "taking the field," I just mean it simulates the "waving flag."
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Suuurrreee...And there are people that say the civil war was never about slavery!
Kapernick chose to use the flag and the anthem for a reason. Weather people chose to believe it or not,, that makes it about the flag and what it stands for.
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Originally posted by WarriorVoice View Post
If I'm at home, I don't stand for the National Anthem, and I don't know ANYONE who does when they're at home. Those who choose to kneel know why they are kneeling, and they decide whether it is symbolic or substantial.
As for myself, I will continue to stand and salute the flag which represents the country I served...but I don't expect anyone else to join me.
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Originally posted by Bart View PostI recall in 1968 someone was arrested for wearing a flag patch. Soon all the hippies and war protestors were wearing flags or making clothing out of flags. It wasn't long after that it became a fad and mainstream culture had small flags sewn on the back of their jackets. It could be that kneeling for the anthem will deteriorate into part of mainstream culture and lose the power of a protest. Sitting or laying down during the anthem would be more in line of a protest position.
Besides, kneeling seems more respectful than standing. Most people don't take a knee for a human, unless it's to propose marriage. Standing to shake hands with someone entering a room for an interview or a president coming to a podium is normal, but not taking a knee.
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Originally posted by Sec10-A-14 View PostAs a veteran, I will never accept showing dis-respect to the Flag that represents the sacrifice of so many who gave all to protect those who hate. Don't get me started
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Originally posted by Mk63NuclearBomb View Post
I wrote out a massive wall of text saying why this is problematic, but I'll just summarize it instead: Some of our most courageous, valiant, and skilled soldiers came from communities that were actively dehumanized when they volunteered. Ask yourself why they fought and whether it had anything to do with the flag.
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Originally posted by Sec10-A-14 View PostAs a veteran, I will never accept showing dis-respect to the Flag that represents the sacrifice of so many who gave all to protect those who hate. Don't get me started
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Originally posted by Sec10-A-14 View PostAs a veteran, I will never accept showing dis-respect to the Flag that represents the sacrifice of so many who gave all to protect those who hate. Don't get me started
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Originally posted by Sec10-A-14 View Post
I am saying that's where I 1st noticed ( the black kids at high school games {sitting during the Nat'l Anthem}) now yes its white kids maybe even so more than blacks.
Don't disrespect my flag. Taking a knee is disrespectful to me and I am offended, but hey who cares about the ol' vet, he doesn't go on a rampage and loot, rob, steal and beat up people. Hell, I'm stupid if a cop tells me to move along I do and don't start mf'n him. Oh and if your offended I'm sorry I have that right.
Thank you for being a great example of the systemic issues at play in our country.
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Originally posted by NWHoops View Post
Sorry but I've seen people of all races not stand for the flag or national anthem. The fact that you only want to call out black kids speaks to the bigger problems in our country.
Second, I agree about listening and having an open dialogue. I don't need the dialogue but I will leave you with this to think about (and hopefully listen to, even if internally)- YOUR experience in this country and YOUR interpretation of what the flag stands for is NOT the same experience and interpretation of others. When you finally listen to that, you might understand the perspectives of others.
Many have been having that dialogue for decades yet we have made little to no change in many of those areas. That's why you see what is happening across our country today.
Don't disrespect my flag. Taking a knee is disrespectful to me and I am offended, but hey who cares about the ol' vet, he doesn't go on a rampage and loot, rob, steal and beat up people. Hell, I'm stupid if a cop tells me to move along I do and don't start mf'n him. Oh and if your offended I'm sorry I have that right.
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