The Dixon Trophy Is Still Bogus

[IUPNation]

I would like to see the facts and figures on that, if you would take on the assignment.

I found this on IUP. How accurate is it? Who can say. It says IUP spends over 7 million on athletics and turns out a small profit overall.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colle...t-life/sports/

[IUPNation]

And if that's the way IUP wants to play it, fine with me and I'm not going to whine about you winning titles. It's up to the rest of us to do something if we want to break up the current big 3 football monopoly.

Translation: The give out the Dixon Trophy to the losers in foosball to make them feel better.

:-)

[IUPNation]

Well, was gonna stay quiet, but this is such a lulu that I can't help it. So after repeatedly saying this was rigged for Ship because of track and field hockey, you now basically say we're not going to win because it is somehow rigged in West Chester's favor (even though Gannon won it last year).

Go look at how many West Chester won after they changed the formula….

I’ll wait.

I offer up facts and figures. You offer up nothing.

[IUPNation]

Joe's won four men's basketball titles in a row. Tort has won two of the last five -- and may be favored to win again this Fall.

If the trade-off is some so-so teams in the other sports ... fine by me.

We should have won 7 of these Dixon Trophies.

However you only win it if you’re good and win the PeeSack title in at Tag, Hide and Go Seek, Hopscotch, Jump Rope, Duck Duck Goose and Potato Sack Races.

[iupgroundhog]

I would like to see the facts and figures on that, if you would take on the assignment.

Can you cc me to that, please?

[Ship69]

Joe's won four men's basketball titles in a row. Tort has won two of the last five -- and may be favored to win again this Fall.

If the trade-off is some so-so teams in the other sports ... fine by me.

And if that's the way IUP wants to play it, fine with me and I'm not going to whine about you winning titles. It's up to the rest of us to do something if we want to break up the current big 3 football monopoly.

[Ship69]

You stopped winning them after they changed the original calculation formula.

West Chester wins because they win the sports fee offer so it props up their average.

I’ll accept your concession of defeat. You knew I was right.

Well, was gonna stay quiet, but this is such a lulu that I can't help it. So after repeatedly saying this was rigged for Ship because of track and field hockey, you now basically say we're not going to win because it is somehow rigged in West Chester's favor (even though Gannon won it last year).

[Bart]

I'd like to compare the full athletic budgets of every school...just because you offer more sports doesn't mean you are spending more money overall. How much does it cost to sponsor track and field teams as opposed to a foosball team. What draws more to Seth Grove...foosball or track???

I would like to see the facts and figures on that, if you would take on the assignment.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

You stopped winning them after they changed the original calculation formula.

West Chester wins because they win the sports fee offer so it props up their average.

I’ll accept your concession of defeat. You knew I was right.

Joe's won four men's basketball titles in a row. Tort has won two of the last five -- and may be favored to win again this Fall.

If the trade-off is some so-so teams in the other sports ... fine by me.

[IUPNation]

It's a laugh riot that you continue to dump on Shippensburg when we've won exactly one of the last eight Dixon Trophies awarded (West Chester has won five in that time frame), and the privates, Gannon and Mercyhurst, appear to be moving ahead recently using their considerable financial resources. You have to be good in quite a few other sports other than track and field hockey to win the Dixon, or we obviously would have won more recently as we've had outstanding teams in both those sports. IUP is a considerably larger school than Ship, so I'd say it's your problem if you're not spending as much or more on sports.

My last word on the subject, but feel free to get in the last word as you always do and, as they say, go out and buy a little cheese to go along with your whine.

You stopped winning them after they changed the original calculation formula.

West Chester wins because they win the sports fee offer so it props up their average.

I’ll accept your concession of defeat. You knew I was right.

[Ship69]

No worse than your school going heavy in track and field and cleaning up and field hockey that is mostly played by Pee Sack East schools and the whole NCAA tournament is the Pee Sack and NE 10 duking it out. Big Whoop Dee Doo.

I'd like to compare the full athletic budgets of every school...just because you offer more sports doesn't mean you are spending more money overall. How much does it cost to sponsor track and field teams as opposed to a foosball team. What draws more to Seth Grove...foosball or track???

It's a laugh riot that you continue to dump on Shippensburg when we've won exactly one of the last eight Dixon Trophies awarded (West Chester has won five in that time frame), and the privates, Gannon and Mercyhurst, appear to be moving ahead recently using their considerable financial resources. You have to be good in quite a few other sports other than track and field hockey to win the Dixon, or we obviously would have won more recently as we've had outstanding teams in both those sports. IUP is a considerably larger school than Ship, so I'd say it's your problem if you're not spending as much or more on sports.

My last word on the subject, but feel free to get in the last word as you always do and, as they say, go out and buy a little cheese to go along with your whine.

[IUPNation]

So basically your argument is that schools that have fewer sports should get a better chance because they put all their money into a couple of sports and won't shell out the money to provide opportunities in other sports. Right. Whatever.

No worse than your school going heavy in track and field and cleaning up and field hockey that is mostly played by Pee Sack East schools and the whole NCAA tournament is the Pee Sack and NE 10 duking it out. Big Whoop Dee Doo.

I'd like to compare the full athletic budgets of every school...just because you offer more sports doesn't mean you are spending more money overall. How much does it cost to sponsor track and field teams as opposed to a foosball team. What draws more to Seth Grove...foosball or track???

[Ship69]

So this trophy is based on the average of every sport's finish.

West Chester and Bloomsburg sponsor 22 sports in total. They have the best shot each year to win the trophy if they dominate the sports that not many schools sponsor.

Ship/Kutztown and East Dennyburg come in at 20 sports.

IUP, Millersville and The Stewies have 19.

Mon Valley U has 18.

Slimey Pebble/The Lake Show and Lock Haven have 17.

LIT AF, Edinboro, and Clarion have 16.

Shepherd and UPJ have 15.

Mansfield has 12.

So how can you give out an award calculated by the average of each sport when many schools don't play a lot of sports in the calculations.

Only 7 schools field a men's tennis team. Only 10 have men's golf and shockingly only 7 have men's swimming. Out of 18 schools.

On the ladies, only 11 play field hockey.

This supports my argument that three sports on each side get a heavier weight in the calculations for winning the title...sports that almost every school fields...to make it balanced and give schools with less sports a better shot.

On the left is the order in the standings for last year based on the bogus way the Home Office calculates...on the right would have been the correct standings based on giving the champions of the 6 most common sports sponsored by each school (3 men and 3 women) double the points for winning the Pee Sack title.

1. Gannon/Gannon
2. Slimey Pebble/Millersville
3. Mercyhurst/IUP
4. Millersville/Slimey Pebble
5. Edinboro/Mercyhurst
6. Walk On U/Edinboro
7. Shippensburg/Kutztown
8. Mon Valley U/Walk On U
9. IUP/Shippensburg
10. Bloomsburg/Mon Valley U
11. Kutztown/Bloomsburg
12. East Dennyburg/East Dennyburg
13. Seton Hill/Seton Hill
14. Shepherd/Shepherd
15. Lock Haven/Lock Haven
16. UPJ/Clarion
17. Clarion/UPJ
18. Mansfield/Mansfield

Awarded 36 points instead of 18 in the standings for winning these titles:

Kutztown - Foosball
IUP - Men's Basketball
Millersville - Baseball

Clarion - Volleyball
Gannon - Ladies Basketball
Kutztown - Softball

Gannon would have still won the Dixon but at least now it would be legit now that every school was given a fair calculation.

IUP, Millersville, Kutztown and Clarion each all jumped in the standings based on this criteria. As they should.

So basically your argument is that schools that have fewer sports should get a better chance because they put all their money into a couple of sports and won't shell out the money to provide opportunities in other sports. Right. Whatever.

[IUPNation]

So this trophy is based on the average of every sport's finish.

West Chester and Bloomsburg sponsor 22 sports in total. They have the best shot each year to win the trophy if they dominate the sports that not many schools sponsor.

Ship/Kutztown and East Dennyburg come in at 20 sports.

IUP, Millersville and The Stewies have 19.

Mon Valley U has 18.

Slimey Pebble/The Lake Show and Lock Haven have 17.

LIT AF, Edinboro, and Clarion have 16.

Shepherd and UPJ have 15.

Mansfield has 12.

So how can you give out an award calculated by the average of each sport when many schools don't play a lot of sports in the calculations.

Only 7 schools field a men's tennis team. Only 10 have men's golf and shockingly only 7 have men's swimming. Out of 18 schools.

On the ladies, only 11 play field hockey.

This supports my argument that three sports on each side get a heavier weight in the calculations for winning the title...sports that almost every school fields...to make it balanced and give schools with less sports a better shot.

On the left is the order in the standings for last year based on the bogus way the Home Office calculates...on the right would have been the correct standings based on giving the champions of the 6 most common sports sponsored by each school (3 men and 3 women) double the points for winning the Pee Sack title.

1. Gannon/Gannon (3 Pee Sack Titles, one shared with UPJ in Men's Wrestling)
2. Slimey Pebble/Millersville (3 Pee Sack Titles)
3. Mercyhurst/IUP (3 Pee Sack Titles)
4. Millersville/Slimey Pebble (Zero., Zilch, Nada Pee Sack Titles)
5. Edinboro/Mercyhurst (0 Pee Sack Titles)
6. Walk On U/Edinboro (4 Pee Sack titles, but three of them were track and field)
7. Shippensburg/Kutztown (2 Pee Sack Titles)
8. Mon Valley U/Walk On U (2 Pee Sack Titles)
9. IUP/Shippensburg (3 Pee Sack Titles, 2 were track and field and the other Field Hockey)
10. Bloomsburg/Mon Valley U (0 titles)
11. Kutztown/Bloomsburg (0 titles)
12. East Dennyburg/East Dennyburg (1 Pee Sack title)
13. Seton Hill/Seton Hill (0)
14. Shepherd/Shepherd (0)
15. Lock Haven/Lock Haven (0)
16. UPJ/Clarion ( 1 Pee Sack Title)
17. Clarion/UPJ ( 1 Shared Pee Sack Title)
18. Mansfield/Mansfield (0)

Awarded 36 points instead of 18 in the standings for winning these titles:

Kutztown - Foosball
IUP - Men's Basketball
Millersville - Baseball

Clarion - Volleyball
Gannon - Ladies Basketball
Kutztown - Softball

Gannon would have still won the Dixon but at least now it would be legit now that every school was given a fair calculation.

IUP, Millersville, Kutztown and Clarion each all jumped in the standings based on this criteria. As they should.

[IUPNation]

It's true ... you do seem to have MAGA tendencies.

But once again, this is the only time we think about the Dixon Trophy, when you cry about it.

No...I'm actually giving out facts and figures while you just say I'm a loser and insult me.

Seems like you are the Trumpanzee here.