Micheal Vick time

[FSUBulldogs]

Don’t misquote me now. I said best making his reads and I stand behind that. The dude misses maybe 2 a game max. I ain’t the brightest cookie in the barrel but common sense tells u it’s hard to get much better than that. Think I was pretty forthright that there are better athletes that play qb.

"This an interesting point about recruiting though. When u guys look at marquee players, ur looking at what recruiting ranks say about talent. Let’s take QB for example, how watered down for any of us is top QB talent by the time it hits D2 level. The best are snagged by FBS and next best usually by FCS. Now how many FBS and FCS teams run exclusively an option style offense. We don’t care about the best pro style QB’s because they don’t beat suit what we do. I would wager to say though that Cole K is one of the very best option style QBs in the country regardless of level. The kid simply hardly ever misses a read. No his athletic prowess may not compare to some other D2 QBs but for what we’re looking for we couldn’t find a better fit. Same with WR. We all want the ones who can do it all, but the way we evaluate that position is going to be much diff than the rest of the country. So when you say best talent what does that really mean? We have some of the best talent in the country for what we do."

Straight from the horse's mouth, well actually the Bison's. If you meant the best at reading the D and making spilt second decision I can agree with you as I don't think you can ever prove it either way.

[BisonOL]

Oh, I 100% agree that you can find 100 dudes throughout all divisions to swap out the guys on Ferris' team. That goes for all teams, man. I brought that up because BisonOL said your QB is the best option QB out there at all levels. I can't get behind that. He's good and is doing a tremendous job running that Harding flexbone, but he isn't the best QB in the nation at all levels. Again, this is not taking away from his success.

If Ferris gets beat, it's not because they have Sub Par athletes. It will be because they didn't match up well, the scheme wasn't good enough, or they made too many mistakes. They have athletes and their style of play and results show that..

Don’t misquote me now. I said best making his reads and I stand behind that. The dude misses maybe 2 a game max. I ain’t the brightest cookie in the barrel but common sense tells u it’s hard to get much better than that. Think I was pretty forthright that there are better athletes that play qb.

[FoothillBison]

From the little film I’ve seen - Ferris has better athletes. It does not make them better football players though. Harding created their identity around this fact. No doubt the talent has improved over the years. But I feel like that is something to be proud of. HU takes overlooked players who can buy into a scheme and culture and turns them into champs.

[FSUBulldogs]

I just watched the Ferris/UCO game - and while the field was full of good football players, really good players - you’d be hard pressed to argue there aren’t 100 swap outs (if that’s the stick your going to measure with) from all levels for any of them. Players are recruited to fill a role regardless of scheme. Cole’s role is to make snap decisions and when he calls his own number - to hit the hole hard. Hasn’t been many better.

Bottom line is if Hardings Flexbone gets rolling - it wont be because they have “sub par” athletes. It will be because Ferris does.

We’re all about to find out if you’ve got the dudes.

Oh, I 100% agree that you can find 100 dudes throughout all divisions to swap out the guys on Ferris' team. That goes for all teams, man. I brought that up because BisonOL said your QB is the best option QB out there at all levels. I can't get behind that. He's good and is doing a tremendous job running that Harding flexbone, but he isn't the best QB in the nation at all levels. Again, this is not taking away from his success.

If Ferris gets beat, it's not because they have Sub Par athletes. It will be because they didn't match up well, the scheme wasn't good enough, or they made too many mistakes. They have athletes and their style of play and results show that..

[BisonswithanS]

It makes sense and I feel like more D2 schools could adopt this model and do well. Northern Michigan attempted it this year, but this was their first year at it.

The best talent to me is the overall talent of the athlete. You have a model where your players must be able to do certain things well based on their position. I completely disagree with your statement about your QB. He may be able to run the option well, but there are so many D1 players who run the option that I can confidently say are better athletes than him. You must take the blinders off every once in a while, man. Yes, he does a great job on the Harding team, but you can sub him out for about 100 players across all levels that don't just run the option. When I watched him in the two playoff games and the OBU game, he looked very slow for a running QB. He can hit the holes hard, but he isn't outrunning anyone.

I just watched the Ferris/UCO game - and while the field was full of good football players, really good players - you’d be hard pressed to argue there aren’t 100 swap outs (if that’s the stick your going to measure with) from all levels for any of them. Players are recruited to fill a role regardless of scheme. Cole’s role is to make snap decisions and when he calls his own number - to hit the hole hard. Hasn’t been many better.

Bottom line is if Hardings Flexbone gets rolling - it wont be because they have “sub par” athletes. It will be because Ferris does.

We’re all about to find out if you’ve got the dudes.

[BisonOL]

I’ll play a little devil’s advocate. Not many option teams playing 15 games.. maybe LR when they played NWMSU in the champ game?

I’ll concede that point but not too many if any who have averaged 435 yds/game either. Plus since this was about Cole K it just magnifies my main point, he’s a winner.

[Divisiontwo]

Think u missed my second point. I wholeheartedly agree that there are are other option QBs out there prob more naturally athletically gifted, but….he hardly ever misses a read!! For what we do so much is placed on the QB making split second reads that precision > overall athletic talent. Now would u love both….obviously. But I’ll take read over speed any day. The kid is simply a winner and that part is unquestionable. And I don’t know about 100. There was only one option qb who walked away with a NC last year at any level D2 and up and that was Cole. I’ll go u a step further. I’m not sure there is a qb including service academies that reads the def any better. There’s a reason we were the first team in the history of college fb all levels to rush for over 6000 yds last yr and a reason we’re on pace for 7000 this year if we go all the way.

I’ll play a little devil’s advocate. Not many option teams playing 15 games.. maybe LR when they played NWMSU in the champ game?

[BisonOL]

It makes sense and I feel like more D2 schools could adopt this model and do well. Northern Michigan attempted it this year, but this was their first year at it.

The best talent to me is the overall talent of the athlete. You have a model where your players must be able to do certain things well based on their position. I completely disagree with your statement about your QB. He may be able to run the option well, but there are so many D1 players who run the option that I can confidently say are better athletes than him. You must take the blinders off every once in a while, man. Yes, he does a great job on the Harding team, but you can sub him out for about 100 players across all levels that don't just run the option. When I watched him in the two playoff games and the OBU game, he looked very slow for a running QB. He can hit the holes hard, but he isn't outrunning anyone.

Think u missed my second point. I wholeheartedly agree that there are are other option QBs out there prob more naturally athletically gifted, but….he hardly ever misses a read!! For what we do so much is placed on the QB making split second reads that precision > overall athletic talent. Now would u love both….obviously. But I’ll take read over speed any day. The kid is simply a winner and that part is unquestionable. And I don’t know about 100. There was only one option qb who walked away with a NC last year at any level D2 and up and that was Cole. I’ll go u a step further. I’m not sure there is a qb including service academies that reads the def any better. There’s a reason we were the first team in the history of college fb all levels to rush for over 6000 yds last yr and a reason we’re on pace for 7000 this year if we go all the way.

[FSUBulldogs]

This an interesting point about recruiting though. When u guys look at marquee players, ur looking at what recruiting ranks say about talent. Let’s take QB for example, how watered down for any of us is top QB talent by the time it hits D2 level. The best are snagged by FBS and next best usually by FCS. Now how many FBS and FCS teams run exclusively an option style offense. We don’t care about the best pro style QB’s because they don’t beat suit what we do. I would wager to say though that Cole K is one of the very best option style QBs in the country regardless of level. The kid simply hardly ever misses a read. No his athletic prowess may not compare to some other D2 QBs but for what we’re looking for we couldn’t find a better fit. Same with WR. We all want the ones who can do it all, but the way we evaluate that position is going to be much diff than the rest of the country. So when you say best talent what does that really mean? We have some of the best talent in the country for what we do.

It makes sense and I feel like more D2 schools could adopt this model and do well. Northern Michigan attempted it this year, but this was their first year at it.

The best talent to me is the overall talent of the athlete. You have a model where your players must be able to do certain things well based on their position. I completely disagree with your statement about your QB. He may be able to run the option well, but there are so many D1 players who run the option that I can confidently say are better athletes than him. You must take the blinders off every once in a while, man. Yes, he does a great job on the Harding team, but you can sub him out for about 100 players across all levels that don't just run the option. When I watched him in the two playoff games and the OBU game, he looked very slow for a running QB. He can hit the holes hard, but he isn't outrunning anyone.

[BisonOL]

This thread got out of hand pretty quickly. The battle will be won in the trenches, and it may come down to whoever has the ball last. I think I take the dogs who aren't one-dimensional. Ifffffff Harding gets too far behind it's going to be a tough up hill battle for them. How many of you guys are going to Big Rapids this Saturday?

Harding has done a great job recruiting the players who fall through the cracks as they don't meet the physical standards of top D2 and D1 schools. I hope they keep their ear muffs on, too, as the dogs like to bark at their opponents.

This an interesting point about recruiting though. When u guys look at marquee players, ur looking at what recruiting ranks say about talent. Let’s take QB for example, how watered down for any of us is top QB talent by the time it hits D2 level. The best are snagged by FBS and next best usually by FCS. Now how many FBS and FCS teams run exclusively an option style offense. We don’t care about the best pro style QB’s because they don’t beat suit what we do. I would wager to say though that Cole K is one of the very best option style QBs in the country regardless of level. The kid simply hardly ever misses a read. No his athletic prowess may not compare to some other D2 QBs but for what we’re looking for we couldn’t find a better fit. Same with WR. We all want the ones who can do it all, but the way we evaluate that position is going to be much diff than the rest of the country. So when you say best talent what does that really mean? We have some of the best talent in the country for what we do.

[FSUBulldogs]

This thread got out of hand pretty quickly. The battle will be won in the trenches, and it may come down to whoever has the ball last. I think I take the dogs who aren't one-dimensional. Ifffffff Harding gets too far behind it's going to be a tough up hill battle for them. How many of you guys are going to Big Rapids this Saturday?

Harding has done a great job recruiting the players who fall through the cracks as they don't meet the physical standards of top D2 and D1 schools. I hope they keep their ear muffs on, too, as the dogs like to bark at their opponents.

[LeftSider]

Any of you rocky mountain oysters traveling up to Big Rapids for the game?

Yeah, your mom had me over before thanksgiving last week. I’ll hit her up and see what she has going on this weekend

[BisonOL]

You don't have to imagine - watch the game this year against OBU.

You may wanna go back and watch your Pitt St game and ours and get a feel of what’s coming Saturday

[LeftSider]

You don't have to imagine - watch the game this year against OBU.

That game was fishy… like they knew what play was happening before the snap. If I was a betting man, I would say they have inside knowledge of the booths of their stadium.

[OldBison]

I’m starting to develop a a new level of respect for LeftSider. Not that he needs it or cares about it, but the guy knows how to fight.