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Originally posted by FSUBulldogs View Post
It makes sense and I feel like more D2 schools could adopt this model and do well. Northern Michigan attempted it this year, but this was their first year at it.
The best talent to me is the overall talent of the athlete. You have a model where your players must be able to do certain things well based on their position. I completely disagree with your statement about your QB. He may be able to run the option well, but there are so many D1 players who run the option that I can confidently say are better athletes than him. You must take the blinders off every once in a while, man. Yes, he does a great job on the Harding team, but you can sub him out for about 100 players across all levels that don't just run the option. When I watched him in the two playoff games and the OBU game, he looked very slow for a running QB. He can hit the holes hard, but he isn't outrunning anyone.
Bottom line is if Hardings Flexbone gets rolling - it wont be because they have “sub par” athletes. It will be because Ferris does.
We’re all about to find out if you’ve got the dudes.Last edited by BisonswithanS; 12-02-2024, 07:12 PM.
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Originally posted by BisonswithanS View Post
I just watched the Ferris/UCO game - and while the field was full of good football players, really good players - you’d be hard pressed to argue there aren’t 100 swap outs (if that’s the stick your going to measure with) from all levels for any of them. Players are recruited to fill a role regardless of scheme. Cole’s role is to make snap decisions and when he calls his own number - to hit the hole hard. Hasn’t been many better.
Bottom line is if Hardings Flexbone gets rolling - it wont be because they have “sub par” athletes. It will be because Ferris does.
We’re all about to find out if you’ve got the dudes.
If Ferris gets beat, it's not because they have Sub Par athletes. It will be because they didn't match up well, the scheme wasn't good enough, or they made too many mistakes. They have athletes and their style of play and results show that..
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From the little film I’ve seen - Ferris has better athletes. It does not make them better football players though. Harding created their identity around this fact. No doubt the talent has improved over the years. But I feel like that is something to be proud of. HU takes overlooked players who can buy into a scheme and culture and turns them into champs.
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Originally posted by FSUBulldogs View Post
Oh, I 100% agree that you can find 100 dudes throughout all divisions to swap out the guys on Ferris' team. That goes for all teams, man. I brought that up because BisonOL said your QB is the best option QB out there at all levels. I can't get behind that. He's good and is doing a tremendous job running that Harding flexbone, but he isn't the best QB in the nation at all levels. Again, this is not taking away from his success.
If Ferris gets beat, it's not because they have Sub Par athletes. It will be because they didn't match up well, the scheme wasn't good enough, or they made too many mistakes. They have athletes and their style of play and results show that..
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Originally posted by BisonOL View Post
Don’t misquote me now. I said best making his reads and I stand behind that. The dude misses maybe 2 a game max. I ain’t the brightest cookie in the barrel but common sense tells u it’s hard to get much better than that. Think I was pretty forthright that there are better athletes that play qb.
Straight from the horse's mouth, well actually the Bison's. If you meant the best at reading the D and making spilt second decision I can agree with you as I don't think you can ever prove it either way.
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Originally posted by FSUBulldogs View Post
"This an interesting point about recruiting though. When u guys look at marquee players, ur looking at what recruiting ranks say about talent. Let’s take QB for example, how watered down for any of us is top QB talent by the time it hits D2 level. The best are snagged by FBS and next best usually by FCS. Now how many FBS and FCS teams run exclusively an option style offense. We don’t care about the best pro style QB’s because they don’t beat suit what we do. I would wager to say though that Cole K is one of the very best option style QBs in the country regardless of level. The kid simply hardly ever misses a read. No his athletic prowess may not compare to some other D2 QBs but for what we’re looking for we couldn’t find a better fit. Same with WR. We all want the ones who can do it all, but the way we evaluate that position is going to be much diff than the rest of the country. So when you say best talent what does that really mean? We have some of the best talent in the country for what we do."
Straight from the horse's mouth, well actually the Bison's. If you meant the best at reading the D and making spilt second decision I can agree with you as I don't think you can ever prove it either way.
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Pretty crazy that there is an argument about whether or not the defending champ is qb isn’t ONE OF the best option style qb’s in the country. How would he not be on that list? First off, there aren’t very many. And even less leading their team to national titles and tracking for another (work to do obvi)
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Originally posted by Divisiontwo View PostPretty crazy that there is an argument about whether or not the defending champ is qb isn’t ONE OF the best option style qb’s in the country. How would he not be on that list? First off, there aren’t very many. And even less leading their team to national titles and tracking for another (work to do obvi)
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Originally posted by FSUBulldogs View Post
"This an interesting point about recruiting though. When u guys look at marquee players, ur looking at what recruiting ranks say about talent. Let’s take QB for example, how watered down for any of us is top QB talent by the time it hits D2 level. The best are snagged by FBS and next best usually by FCS. Now how many FBS and FCS teams run exclusively an option style offense. We don’t care about the best pro style QB’s because they don’t beat suit what we do. I would wager to say though that Cole K is one of the very best option style QBs in the country regardless of level. The kid simply hardly ever misses a read. No his athletic prowess may not compare to some other D2 QBs but for what we’re looking for we couldn’t find a better fit. Same with WR. We all want the ones who can do it all, but the way we evaluate that position is going to be much diff than the rest of the country. So when you say best talent what does that really mean? We have some of the best talent in the country for what we do."
Straight from the horse's mouth, well actually the Bison's. If you meant the best at reading the D and making spilt second decision I can agree with you as I don't think you can ever prove it either way.
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Originally posted by FSUBulldogs View Post
I didn't say he wasn't the best, but I mentioned that there are other more athletic QBs, RBs, and WRs out there that I can plug into their system. He fits the system very well and is an excellent option QB, and I still think there are plenty of other athletes you can use in their system. To think he's the best one out there, regardless of division, I think, is a poor choice of words.
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Originally posted by LeftSider View Postit’s time for the bisons to go up to big rapids and put a whoopin on the pretty boys. I heard all last week that GV would pick a fight with anyone. Well, turns out Harding will too. I don’t think it’s a good look to have dudes jawing but at least they run hot and not lukewarm. It’s a whole lot better to say ‘woh’ than ‘giddy up’ and this Harding team has the dudes to get after it plus the attitude.
Harding wants a fist fight and Ferris wants to air it out, let’s see who gets their wish. I’ve got a feeling it’ll be former.
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