Micheal Vick time

[FSUBulldogs]

I just watched the Ferris/UCO game - and while the field was full of good football players, really good players - you’d be hard pressed to argue there aren’t 100 swap outs (if that’s the stick your going to measure with) from all levels for any of them. Players are recruited to fill a role regardless of scheme. Cole’s role is to make snap decisions and when he calls his own number - to hit the hole hard. Hasn’t been many better.

Bottom line is if Hardings Flexbone gets rolling - it wont be because they have “sub par” athletes. It will be because Ferris does.

We’re all about to find out if you’ve got the dudes.

Oh, I 100% agree that you can find 100 dudes throughout all divisions to swap out the guys on Ferris' team. That goes for all teams, man. I brought that up because BisonOL said your QB is the best option QB out there at all levels. I can't get behind that. He's good and is doing a tremendous job running that Harding flexbone, but he isn't the best QB in the nation at all levels. Again, this is not taking away from his success.

If Ferris gets beat, it's not because they have Sub Par athletes. It will be because they didn't match up well, the scheme wasn't good enough, or they made too many mistakes. They have athletes and their style of play and results show that..

[FoothillBison]

From the little film I’ve seen - Ferris has better athletes. It does not make them better football players though. Harding created their identity around this fact. No doubt the talent has improved over the years. But I feel like that is something to be proud of. HU takes overlooked players who can buy into a scheme and culture and turns them into champs.

[BisonOL]

Oh, I 100% agree that you can find 100 dudes throughout all divisions to swap out the guys on Ferris' team. That goes for all teams, man. I brought that up because BisonOL said your QB is the best option QB out there at all levels. I can't get behind that. He's good and is doing a tremendous job running that Harding flexbone, but he isn't the best QB in the nation at all levels. Again, this is not taking away from his success.

If Ferris gets beat, it's not because they have Sub Par athletes. It will be because they didn't match up well, the scheme wasn't good enough, or they made too many mistakes. They have athletes and their style of play and results show that..

Don’t misquote me now. I said best making his reads and I stand behind that. The dude misses maybe 2 a game max. I ain’t the brightest cookie in the barrel but common sense tells u it’s hard to get much better than that. Think I was pretty forthright that there are better athletes that play qb.

[FSUBulldogs]

Don’t misquote me now. I said best making his reads and I stand behind that. The dude misses maybe 2 a game max. I ain’t the brightest cookie in the barrel but common sense tells u it’s hard to get much better than that. Think I was pretty forthright that there are better athletes that play qb.

"This an interesting point about recruiting though. When u guys look at marquee players, ur looking at what recruiting ranks say about talent. Let’s take QB for example, how watered down for any of us is top QB talent by the time it hits D2 level. The best are snagged by FBS and next best usually by FCS. Now how many FBS and FCS teams run exclusively an option style offense. We don’t care about the best pro style QB’s because they don’t beat suit what we do. I would wager to say though that Cole K is one of the very best option style QBs in the country regardless of level. The kid simply hardly ever misses a read. No his athletic prowess may not compare to some other D2 QBs but for what we’re looking for we couldn’t find a better fit. Same with WR. We all want the ones who can do it all, but the way we evaluate that position is going to be much diff than the rest of the country. So when you say best talent what does that really mean? We have some of the best talent in the country for what we do."

Straight from the horse's mouth, well actually the Bison's. If you meant the best at reading the D and making spilt second decision I can agree with you as I don't think you can ever prove it either way.

[BisonOL]

"This an interesting point about recruiting though. When u guys look at marquee players, ur looking at what recruiting ranks say about talent. Let’s take QB for example, how watered down for any of us is top QB talent by the time it hits D2 level. The best are snagged by FBS and next best usually by FCS. Now how many FBS and FCS teams run exclusively an option style offense. We don’t care about the best pro style QB’s because they don’t beat suit what we do. I would wager to say though that Cole K is one of the very best option style QBs in the country regardless of level. The kid simply hardly ever misses a read. No his athletic prowess may not compare to some other D2 QBs but for what we’re looking for we couldn’t find a better fit. Same with WR. We all want the ones who can do it all, but the way we evaluate that position is going to be much diff than the rest of the country. So when you say best talent what does that really mean? We have some of the best talent in the country for what we do."

Straight from the horse's mouth, well actually the Bison's. If you meant the best at reading the D and making spilt second decision I can agree with you as I don't think you can ever prove it either way.

I see how maybe I didn’t make that clear, but that was absolutely my point was his ability to read and make the correct decisions. He certainly isn’t going to throw the ball 15+ times a game or break an 80 yd run and outrun everyone to the house, but in our off we don’t need him to do that. Make the right read 95%+ every game and we may not win them all but we’re gonna be in them all

[Divisiontwo]

Pretty crazy that there is an argument about whether or not the defending champ is qb isn’t ONE OF the best option style qb’s in the country. How would he not be on that list? First off, there aren’t very many. And even less leading their team to national titles and tracking for another (work to do obvi)

[FSUBulldogs]

Pretty crazy that there is an argument about whether or not the defending champ is qb isn’t ONE OF the best option style qb’s in the country. How would he not be on that list? First off, there aren’t very many. And even less leading their team to national titles and tracking for another (work to do obvi)

I didn't say he wasn't the best, but I mentioned that there are other more athletic QBs, RBs, and WRs out there that I can plug into their system. He fits the system very well and is an excellent option QB, and I still think there are plenty of other athletes you can use in their system. To think he's the best one out there, regardless of division, I think, is a poor choice of words.

[BisonOL]

"This an interesting point about recruiting though. When u guys look at marquee players, ur looking at what recruiting ranks say about talent. Let’s take QB for example, how watered down for any of us is top QB talent by the time it hits D2 level. The best are snagged by FBS and next best usually by FCS. Now how many FBS and FCS teams run exclusively an option style offense. We don’t care about the best pro style QB’s because they don’t beat suit what we do. I would wager to say though that Cole K is one of the very best option style QBs in the country regardless of level. The kid simply hardly ever misses a read. No his athletic prowess may not compare to some other D2 QBs but for what we’re looking for we couldn’t find a better fit. Same with WR. We all want the ones who can do it all, but the way we evaluate that position is going to be much diff than the rest of the country. So when you say best talent what does that really mean? We have some of the best talent in the country for what we do."

Straight from the horse's mouth, well actually the Bison's. If you meant the best at reading the D and making spilt second decision I can agree with you as I don't think you can ever prove it either way.

And on a side note it can be proved. Generally by the fact that we’re by far the best rushing team in the country, won last yrs NC, still in the mix for a 2nd, and have won 32 of our last 33 games. Specifically can be proved on tape. I mean I’m sure ur aware of this because it’s true for every style option team but there are 2 unblocked defenders, inside and outside, that are the qb’s read keys. If you’re a fb guy and know the off I don’t need film to know if he’s making the right decision as long as you can identify his read key it’s obvious. Now certainly not every play is a read involved by the qb. A straight FB dive (called), quick toss, trap, etc are called from the box. Generally if the play goes for 3-4 yds+ it’s pretty safe to say he made the right read or a great individual effort by the back, great block, etc. Remember long runs, although a bonus are not necessarily even the goal with an option off. It’s be efficient, take 3-4 yds a play, move the sticks, and eat up clock.

[Divisiontwo]

I didn't say he wasn't the best, but I mentioned that there are other more athletic QBs, RBs, and WRs out there that I can plug into their system. He fits the system very well and is an excellent option QB, and I still think there are plenty of other athletes you can use in their system. To think he's the best one out there, regardless of division, I think, is a poor choice of words.

Don’t know where the disconnect is here hoss. Straight from the horse’s mouth. Or I guess the bison’s. “One of the best” doesn’t mean THE BEST.

[FSUBulldogs]

Don’t know where the disconnect is here hoss. Straight from the horse’s mouth. Or I guess the bison’s. “One of the best” doesn’t mean THE BEST.

Oh I know. I think of one of the best being in the top 5ish. Tomato tomato is what it comes down to.

[Predatory Primates]

it’s time for the bisons to go up to big rapids and put a whoopin on the pretty boys. I heard all last week that GV would pick a fight with anyone. Well, turns out Harding will too. I don’t think it’s a good look to have dudes jawing but at least they run hot and not lukewarm. It’s a whole lot better to say ‘woh’ than ‘giddy up’ and this Harding team has the dudes to get after it plus the attitude.

Harding wants a fist fight and Ferris wants to air it out, let’s see who gets their wish. I’ve got a feeling it’ll be former.

You have clearly never seen Ferris play.

[LeftSider]

You have clearly never seen Ferris play.

I’ve played them. Unimpressed.

[Predatory Primates]

I’ve played them. Unimpressed.

They have never really been an air it out team, so maybe you had a concussion?

[LeftSider]

They have never really been an air it out team, so maybe you had a concussion?

Har har har

[FSUBulldogs]

I’ve played them. Unimpressed.

Didn't know that Harding played Ferris already in 2023. Good to know you have all the ins and outs of this Ferris team..