Who 'turns the corner' first

[EveryCatAWildman]

So Lincoln is coming back to the MIAA in football, with all the *****in' and moanin' the reality is we need a couple of the bottom feeders to start competing. So will it be Lincoln, Mo Southern, or Northeast OK that within 3 years hits .500 mark?

My guess would be Mo Southern; they have some history of success and have the immediate opportunity to hire the right coach. Lincoln and NEO, I'm not sure. Lincoln coach is in his second year, and one could argue seeing some positive changes, if you squint harder than Jameis Winston. Jefferson City isn't a horrible location to find football and bring in football talent, so I don't know if being a HBCU matters or the tiny tiny campus for attracting talent. NEO as far as I can tell is the worst off unless they make an immediate change at head coach and try to make an impact greater than what MO So will try to do in the next year.

[bigsig50]

Re: Who 'turns the corner' first

MoSo without a doubt.

Facilities, institutional support, history, and location are all better than the other 2.

[UCObluejay]

Re: Who 'turns the corner' first

I don't want this to come out mean but...
NEO is a JuCo in Miami (Miama) http://www.neo.edu/
NSU is the MIAA team.

[UCObluejay]

Re: Who 'turns the corner' first

And to answer your question
MoSo
NSU
LU will likely never.

[IM N GUD H&NZ BEARCAT]

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I did not realize, but am glad to see, that they replaced that field with astro turf.

[FlyinLion]

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Interesting note; Lincoln has never played Mo So or NEO in football - so it's the great unknown between the three if one can make it to some level of respectability.

Lincoln has played NSU twice ('12-'13) with Lincoln winning in '13. MSSU and Lincoln have played 10 times going back NAIA days with MSSU leading 8-2 all-time and winning the last 8.

[GorillaBred]

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I don't want this to come out mean but...
NEO is a JuCo in Miami (Miama) http://www.neo.edu/
NSU is the MIAA team.

Lincoln has played NSU twice ('12-'13) with Lincoln winning in '13. MSSU and Lincoln have played 10 times going back NAIA days with MSSU leading 8-2 all-time and winning the last 8.

But I do think he's correct that Lincoln has never played NEO.

FWIW, NEO would give the MIAA a more competitive team that any of the three listed.

I think NSU turns the corner first. Not sure why I think they're closer than MoSo, but I just do. Have a few connections to Joplin. It's hard to overstate how down the community is on MoSo football--and how little local urgency there is to do anything about it.

I don't think Lincoln ever turns the corner on football. Also, I do think Jeff City is a horrible location to try to find and bring in football talent. Returning to the MIAA full-ish time is going to be bad for Lincoln. To the extent they're going to be able to find success, I really don't think the MIAA is the place it'll happen. Other than geography, they aren't a good match for the conference.

[Randy]

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Interesting note; Lincoln has never played Mo So or NEO in football - so it's the great unknown between the three if one can make it to some level of respectability.

Lincoln is 2-8 all time vs Southern. The Blue Tigers won the first 2 meetings in 1969 & 1970 then lost the next 8 including all 3 seasons they competed in the MIAA after rejoining the conference (2011-13).

Lincoln is 1-1 all time vs Northeastern playing them in both seasons (2012 & 2013) that both schools competed in football in the MIAA. Lincoln currently has a 2 game MIAA winning streak beating Northeastern & Baptist in the final games of 2013.

EDIT: I see others beat me to the punch. That's what happens when you get distracted after starting a reply.

[EveryCatAWildman]

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Lincoln has played NSU twice ('12-'13) with Lincoln winning in '13. MSSU and Lincoln have played 10 times going back NAIA days with MSSU leading 8-2 all-time and winning the last 8.

You're right, I screwed up (big) on looking up historical games. Well, actually for some reason my IE browser didn't display anything, when I did the same search on Chrome, viola! the games displayed. I figured it really couldn't be correct, but I didn't double check.

[EveryCatAWildman]

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I don't want this to come out mean but...
NEO is a JuCo in Miami (Miama) http://www.neo.edu/
NSU is the MIAA team.

Is there a difference? :smile-big: anyway, yes I am aware, just always called Northeastern Oklahoma - NE OK or as NEO in my shorthand, figured in an MIAA board 99.9% would know which school I'm referencing. NSU just doesn't seem to fit right either for me.

[Predatory Primates]

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Financially, I think NSU is in the best shape of the 3, but they seem determined to do addition by subtraction. They will be gone before they "turn it around"


I don't see Lincoln ever being able to compete. I mean a great year for them will always be winning 4 -6 games, imo.


That leaves Southern. I don't know if there are enough cares, but they have a blank slate and a ton of time to find the right coach and give him 4 years to do it.

[UCObluejay]

Re: Who 'turns the corner' first

Is there a difference? :smile-big: anyway, yes I am aware, just always called Northeastern Oklahoma - NE OK or as NEO in my shorthand, figured in an MIAA board 99.9% would know which school I'm referencing. NSU just doesn't seem to fit right either for me.

I'll drink to that!

[UCObluejay]

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I honestly wonder why they haven't changed some of the school names in the state.
We have two colleges that are frequently confused with other institutions
Northeastern State vs Northeastern Oklahoma A&M JuCo
East Central U vs (Tulsa) East Central High School

Yet we have
Eastern Oklahoma State (JC) in Wilburton
Northern Oklahoma (JC) in Tonkawa
Western Oklahoma State (JC) in Altus
No Southern Oklahoma anything

I would like to see the following
Northestern State--------->University of Eastern Oklahoma (UEO)
Southeastern Ok State---->University of Southern Oklahoma (USO)
SWOSU--------------------->University of Western Oklahoma (UWO) It really isn't south at all.
NW OK State--------------->University of Northern Oklahoma (UNO)
East Central can stay the same

[Bigbadbod]

Re: Who 'turns the corner' first

I honestly wonder why they haven't changed some of the school names in the state.
We have two colleges that are frequently confused with other institutions
Northeastern State vs Northeastern Oklahoma A&M JuCo
East Central U vs (Tulsa) East Central High School

Yet we have
Eastern Oklahoma State (JC) in Wilburton
Northern Oklahoma (JC) in Tonkawa
Western Oklahoma State (JC) in Altus
No Southern Oklahoma anything

I would like to see the following
Northestern State--------->University of Eastern Oklahoma (UEO)
Southeastern Ok State---->University of Southern Oklahoma (USO)
SWOSU--------------------->University of Western Oklahoma (UWO) It really isn't south at all.
NW OK State--------------->University of Northern Oklahoma (UNO)
East Central can stay the same

Ft. Hays--------------------------University of Western Kansas (WKU) No one beyond Kansas knows where Ft. Hays is at but even a child can point to a map and find Western Kansas.

Colorado State University at Pueblo-------------University of Southern Colorado (USC) Very few beyond Colorado can find Pueblo on a map but all can find Southern Colorado (BTW--As the MIAA continues to move west Southern Colorado University is destined to join us, and sooner than you think)

Lincoln University---------------Jefferson City Industrial Park (JCIP) Drop the name, close the school and do us all a favor and get rid of the ridiculous football "program."

[EveryCatAWildman]

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Ft. Hays--------------------------University of Western Kansas (WKU) No one beyond Kansas knows where Ft. Hays is at but even a child can point to a map and find Western Kansas.

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and they'd be pointing in the wrong area; Hays is not in western kansas