Pursue Northeastern State to return to the LSC?

[BuffaloChip]

CWU is not going to drop football.

Central Washington University's Commitment to Football - Central Washington University Athletics (wildcatsports.com)

I know you "solid" LSC folks keep picking at this, but CWU has a strong commitment across the board for football. The chances of CWU going to D1 are greater than them dropping football.

Leave that stone where it is.

Again, CWU is a great complimentary member IMO. I love see my Buffs compete with them. Being able to play a conference team from another part of the country is unique in D2. As fa as I'm concerned CWU can be an LSC member as long as it wants. I hope the stone remains where it is.

[Predatory Primates]

They can be nationally relevant with the right staff, AD etc. Mid Majors can compete with anyone hell Wichita St, SDSU, Liberty, Loyola Chicago do or did a pretty good job besting Powr Programs

Not sure about the others, but WSU has 23k students, 12 doctoral programs, and no football team to spend money on.

[Herb Street]

They can be nationally relevant with the right staff, AD etc. Mid Majors can compete with anyone hell Wichita St, SDSU, Liberty, Loyola Chicago do or did a pretty good job besting Powr Programs

Thanks for making my point. You are referencing the very best situations of smaller programs, and they still aren't relevant.

Liberty University has an endowment of $2.1 Billion. More than most Big 12 schools. That isn't used for athletics, but is a big indicator of major donor support. SDSU is one of two flagship universities for SD. Aside from FCS football, they are not nationally competitive in ANY sport. Yes, they are competing for FCS football championships, but Joe Sixpack can't tell you the difference between FCS, D2, and D3. It's all the same: Not big time.

Loyola and Wichita State are basketball-only schools. And aside from some blue moon deal, no, they aren't relevant in ANY sports, and neither is Liberty.

Come up with something better.

[Rockofwesties]

Thanks for making my point. You are referencing the very best situations of smaller programs, and they still aren't relevant.

Liberty University has an endowment of $2.1 Billion. More than most Big 12 schools. That isn't used for athletics, but is a big indicator of major donor support. SDSU is one of two flagship universities for SD. Aside from FCS football, they are not nationally competitive in ANY sport. Yes, they are competing for FCS football championships, but Joe Sixpack can't tell you the difference between FCS, D2, and D3. It's all the same: Not big time.

Loyola and Wichita State are basketball-only schools. And aside from some blue moon deal, no, they aren't relevant in ANY sports, and neither is Liberty.

Come up with something better.

Why are you so angry? Did you get coal for Christmas?

[the tav]

Just catching up on the holiday news.

MIAA Approves Northeastern State's Request to Play as an Independent Institution in Football - Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association (themiaa.com)

Looks like last month the MIAA and Northeastern State agreed to some sort of probationary status where NSU can play football as an independent for the 2024 and 2025 season.

I know this is adding (returning) another weak team to the conference but it does bolster the membership and is insurance if current LSC members decide to make the D1 plunge and/or Central Washington has to make a negative football move with their LSC membership.

They cant be any worse than Sul Ross and Western New Mexico.

Thoughts?

Bruh, you're a Buffalo Islander Alum. Meaning! You don't know **** about the in and outs of CWU. CWU isn't going to be drop the football program. They're not going to move up to the FCS. CWU is all in playing Division 2 Football either in the LSC Conference or Independent.

[Herb Street]

Why are you so angry? Did you get coal for Christmas?

All I wanted was two pans of tamales and no one came through.

[Buffalo/Islander Alum]

Bruh, you're a Buffalo Islander Alum. Meaning! You don't know **** about the in and outs of CWU. CWU isn't going to be drop the football program. They're not going to move up to the FCS. CWU is all in playing Division 2 Football either in the LSC Conference or Independent.

I guess reading comprehension is not a big part of the degree program up there in Ellensburg.

In the original post I said a negative move which could be an example of many things.

Leaving the LSC for any reason would be considered a negative move.

[JakeTAMUC]

Thanks for making my point. You are referencing the very best situations of smaller programs, and they still aren't relevant.

Liberty University has an endowment of $2.1 Billion. More than most Big 12 schools. That isn't used for athletics, but is a big indicator of major donor support. SDSU is one of two flagship universities for SD. Aside from FCS football, they are not nationally competitive in ANY sport. Yes, they are competing for FCS football championships, but Joe Sixpack can't tell you the difference between FCS, D2, and D3. It's all the same: Not big time.

Loyola and Wichita State are basketball-only schools. And aside from some blue moon deal, no, they aren't relevant in ANY sports, and neither is Liberty.

Come up with something better.

Unfortunately competing for national championships is not the driving factor in the moves to D1. Money, ego, and a higher profile are generally more important to the administrators making these decisions. In Commerce I know that donations are up by a good measure as are advertising revenues. Scholarship money has gone from $2.4 mil/ year to $4.3 mil/year currently. Women’s and men’s basketball (to a lesser degree) are both already competitive in conference. Money games at Kentucky, A&M, Texas Tech among others and adding to the cash pile and a spot in March madness a few years down the road will be far more beneficial than winning a D2 natty will ever be.

[Herb Street]

Unfortunately competing for national championships is not the driving factor in the moves to D1. Money, ego, and a higher profile are generally more important to the administrators making these decisions. In Commerce I know that donations are up by a good measure as are advertising revenues. Scholarship money has gone from $2.4 mil/ year to $4.3 mil/year currently. Women’s and men’s basketball (to a lesser degree) are both already competitive in conference. Money games at Kentucky, A&M, Texas Tech among others and adding to the cash pile and a spot in March madness a few years down the road will be far more beneficial than winning a D2 natty will ever be.

There’s no accumulating “cash pile” at Commerce. That whole conference is D1 in name only. If it feeds someone’s ego to get blown out by the 3-deeps at Kyle Field, oh well.

That entire charade, just to score a spot in the tournament of 66 teams once in a generation, is pretty silly.

[JakeTAMUC]

There’s no accumulating “cash pile” at Commerce. That whole conference is D1 in name only. If it feeds someone’s ego to get blown out by the 3-deeps at Kyle Field, oh well.

That entire charade, just to score a spot in the tournament of 66 teams once in a generation, is pretty silly.

The football games against San Diego State and Florida State in the next 2 years will also feed a little over $1 million into the coffers to provide more money for more students. The 3 basketball games I referenced from this year netted Commerce right around $300,000. But, I’m sure, being “relevant” in D2 is much more important.

[Herb Street]

The football games against San Diego State and Florida State in the next 2 years will also feed a little over $1 million into the coffers to provide more money for more students. The 3 basketball games I referenced from this year netted Commerce right around $300,000. But, I’m sure, being “relevant” in D2 is much more important.

So $1 million from San Diego State and Florida State is going to...students?

Dude.

[JakeTAMUC]

So $1 million from San Diego State and Florida State is going to...students?

Dude.

I know you mostly just come here to troll but I’ll play along for another few minutes. Athletic budgets cover scholarships, food, housing, training, academic tutoring, coaching, etc. A handful of games this year covered about 10% of those expenses and afforded the athletes the experience of playing at places like Rupp arena and College Station. If you want to tell anyone that this doesn’t benefit the students then show me receipts and evidence, otherwise you are just blowing smoke out your ass. Or you could just explain how far fewer scholarships, far less travel experiences, and inferior facilities benefits more students.

[Herb Street]

I know you mostly just come here to troll but I’ll play along for another few minutes. Athletic budgets cover scholarships, food, housing, training, academic tutoring, coaching, etc. A handful of games this year covered about 10% of those expenses and afforded the athletes the experience of playing at places like Rupp arena and College Station. If you want to tell anyone that this doesn’t benefit the students then show me receipts and evidence, otherwise you are just blowing smoke out your ass.

So if $1 million is 10 percent of the expenses, does that mean Commerce's athletic budget to be D1 is $10 million?

[JakeTAMUC]

So if $1 million is 10 percent of the expenses, does that mean Commerce's athletic budget to be D1 is $10 million?

It’s about $11 mil right now. And you are changing the subject.

[Herb Street]

It’s about $11 mil right now. And you are changing the subject.

Actually I'm not. I'm happy to continue discussing whatever part of this you would like. But $11 million to compete in D1 is pretty unreal. That's below a lot of D2 budgets.