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  • Scrub
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    Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
    Even guarded Abrams outside to prevent threes and did not let him drive by him
    I was going to mention that as well. The flip side of Rasile doing a nice job hanging with Pittman/Moore was that Viktor did a great job hanging with Abram as the other half of those high-pick-switches.

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  • Columbuseer
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    Viktor Kovacevic was another key factor in the victory over WVSU with his energy level. He
    • contested shots
    • got 7 rebounds
    • Scored 11 points on 5-7 shooting
    • Got 3 assists on great interior passing
    • Dove for loose balls
    • Even guarded Abrams outside to prevent threes and did not let him drive by him
    • Used better judgment in avoiding needless fouls and stayed out of serious foul trouble (3 fouls)

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  • Columbuseer
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    Observations on WLU vs WV State 2/2/22
    • WVSU was arguably the hottest team in the country, owning a 10-game winning streak with convincing victories over Fairmont and Charleston. WLU had handed them their last loss in a dramatic come back from a double-digit deficit.
    • WVSU is tall, long, athletic, with great shooters. One could argue that in a 1-on-1 game, WVSU would defeat most of their counterparts at WLU. The WVSU strategy was to leverage this athletic advantage to attack the rim after breaking the press, just like Fairmont did. They had some success, with some pretty dunks, which nevertheless only count as 2 points.
    • So how did WLU even win, much less lead by 17 points late in the game on the way to a12-point victory 96-84? IMHO:
      • The continuous pressure of WLU caused WVSU to tire in the last 8 minutes of each half. Leading to open looks and easy baskets for WLU. It also reduced WVSU effort on the boards and getting back on defense. Many times, WLU would get a rebound and dribble past 3 WVSU defenders before even crossing the half court line.
      • WLU was pushing the pace at every opportunity. Combine that with WVSU sprinting to attack the rim after breaking the press, and the fatigue accumulates. The multiple platoons of WLU helps them stay fresh. WVSU did not have sufficient quality depth.
      • WLU was unselfish and avoided difficult, low percentage shots.
      • Although WLU committed more turnovers than usual, (19 to WVSU 21 TOs), many of their forced turnovers led to easy baskets, where WVSU did not get so many easy baskets off turnovers.
      • WLU had 12 steals, compared to only 6 for WVSU.
      • WLU, despite being smaller, controlled the boards, 42-34. More importantly, they got an impressive 38% of the missed shots on their glass.
      • WLU made the extra pass to get a great shot.
      • WLU hit 83% of their FTs.
    Opponent WEST VIRGINIA STATE
    Date 02/02/22
    Score 96-84
    w/l W
    FG 35
    FGA 70
    FG Pct 50%
    3FG 6
    3 FGA 19
    3 FG PCT 32%
    FT 20
    FTA 24
    FT PCT 83%
    Off Reb 14
    Def Reb 28
    Tot Reb 42
    Reb Per Game 39.4
    PF 24
    Assist 18
    TO 19
    Blk 4
    Stl 12
    Pts 96
    Avg Pts Per Game 99.0
    Steals per Forced TO 57%
    Assist to TO Ratio 0.95
    Assist per FG 51%
    Points Per FGA 1.37
    Points Per Possession 1.12
    Num Possessions 86
    OppDefReb 23
    Off Reb Effic 38%
    Forced TO 21
    Game num 21
    Two Pt FG % 56.9%
    Effective Shooting % 54.29%
    Last edited by Columbuseer; 02-03-2022, 06:10 PM.

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  • Columbuseer
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    Scrub- great point about Patrick.

    They were collapsing on him when he started to drive, just like Fairmont did. He did not take the bait. When he then dishes to teammates for threes, their strategy collapses and the defense has to spread. He was a monster on offensive and defensive glass against taller players as well as on defense. He has become a complete team player.

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  • Columbuseer
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    Scrub - Great analysis!

    Zach - last year, guards would have had the green light to immediately take him to the rim. No more. More experienced, athletic guards are no longer getting by him. As a result, his minutes are going up. We now have 4 strong defensive defensive guards. I too am impressed by how intelligently he guards bigs in the post. He is an aggressive rebounder too. As he has gotten more comfortable, his shooting is back to where it was in high school, when he destroyed the Ohio all tme career record for three point goals as a junior. His record may never be broken.

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  • Scrub
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    Two quick observations from the WVSU game (and mine will be anecdotal as opposed to the statistically backed observations we'll get soon from Columbus):

    1. Rasile's Defense: I thought Rasile took a huge step forward as a defender in this game. WVSU was regularly running a high pick, knowing that WLU switches on all picks unless it's McKinney (he's too quick to duck under picks to render the pick effective). It seemed their plan was to exploit those switches and let Pittman & J. Moore work against a guard and Abram work against a big. On multiple occasions, Pittman had the ball (and a head of steam) at the top of the key with Rasile as his newly switched mark. I was so impressed with Rasile's commitment to sit down, stick out his chest, and go body-to-body with guys twice his size. And on more occasion than one, he forced that player to give up the ball or force a wild shot. Yes, he picked up 4 fouls banging with the bigs, but I was so impressed with Rasile's bulldog mentality that often thwarted WVSU's attempt at exploiting a perceived mismatch.

    2. Robinson's Unselfishness: For the second time this year, WVSU has found a way to bottle up Pat Robinson (a near-impossible task on most nights). Thankfully, in both games Bryce Butler stepped up big time to fill the production gap. But the most impressive part about it (aside from WVSU's strong defense) was that Robinson never once tried to force something and "get his." He knows he's "the man" on this team (to the degree that any one player is "the man" on a WLU team), but he also knows that when he's held down as a scorer, he still has other ways to help this team (assists, offensive rebounds, defense, etc.). So impressed that Robinson never got baited into forcing things and continued to feed his teammates and keep the offense rolling. That shows big time leadership and maturity, and that's precisely what the young Hilltoppers need from Robinson night in and night out (whether the scoring is there or not).

    Strong win overall. Always good to get out of a WVSU game with a W. Much respect to that team--they always give WLU a spirited fight.
    Last edited by Scrub; 02-03-2022, 07:24 AM.

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  • Layton
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    Wow it sounded like there was some kind of medical issue with someone in the background of the broadcast right before halftime

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  • Layton
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    Yoakum is back!

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  • Columbuseer
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    Observations on 2021-2022 West Liberty Teams versus Previous Teams
    It is problematic to compare teams with those of prior years, as the strength of the schedule and overall conference strength can vary. For example, this year's out of conference schedule for WLU was the strongest in recent memory. With that caveat, here are some comparisons with past years. Overall, WLU is approaching parity with teams of past years.

    As WLU has improved in passing the ball and moving without the ball, the stats have steadily climbed toward the typical stats of teams from prior years.
    • Stats that are better than average
      • Scoring margin of 21.4 points a game is impressive, given the out of conference schedule.
      • The margin in assist to turnover ratio between WLU and opponents is incredible at 1.18. One factor are the shutdown defensive guards are disrupting the offense.
      • Assists per game
    • Stats that are consistent with prior teams:
      • FG PCT
      • Three-point attempts per game is just slightly over the average
      • Shots per 40 minutes
      • Steals per forced turnover
      • Possessions per game at 80.
      • Assist to turnover ratio is at the median value, but just below the mean value.
    • Stats that are below average value of prior teams
      • FT % - Although it has been climbing to over 71%, it is still below the 75% average.
      • Points per possession has been climbing from 1.19 to 1.24, and is approaching the 1.26 average. By comparison, the best in D1 is probably Gonzaga at about 1.19
    TeamYear WLU2021 WLU2020 WLU2019 WLU2018 WLU2017 WLU2016 WLU2015 WLU2014 WLU2013 WLU2012 Mean Median
    GP 20 23 31 33 30 32 35 32 35 36
    FG Pct 50% 49% 51% 50% 48% 49% 50% 52% 49% 52% 50% 50%
    3FG PCT 39% 37% 41% 43% 38% 36% 41% 41% 40% 41% 41% 41%
    FT PCT 71% 75% 77% 78% 77% 72% 73% 71% 75% 76% 75% 75%
    Reb Per Game 39 43 42 42 44 41 43 40 42 41 41.64 41.70
    Avg Pts Per Game 99.2 101 102 101 105 97 98.4 101 99.9 103 100.72 100.65
    Shots per 40 min 73 74 75 71 77 70 69 69 72 72 72.16 72.25
    Points Per Shot 1.36 1.36 1.37 1.40 1.36 1.34 1.42 1.46 1.36 1.43 1.39 1.37
    Points Per Possession 1.24 1.25 1.27 1.27 1.28 1.25 1.25 1.28 1.26 1.28 1.26 1.27
    Possessions per game 80 81 80 79 82 78 79 79 79 80 79.76 79.62
    Three FGA per Game 30 30 28 28 34 31 29 27 30 27 29.48 29.37
    FGA per Game 73 74 75 72 77 72 69 69 73 72 72.72 72.65
    Assist to Turnover Ratio Margin (WLU-Opp.) 1.18 0.80 0.95 0.51 1.22 1.10 0.80 0.83 1.05 1.06 0.95 1.00
    Assist to Turnover Ratio 1.71 1.58 1.62 1.49 1.98 1.96 1.80 1.70 1.84 1.65 1.73 1.70
    steals to forced TO Ratio 57% 55% 57% 55% 56% 54% 55% 62% 59% 59% 0.57 0.57
    TO per Game 12.2 11.5 11.5 12.0 10.5 9.3 11.2 11.8 10.3 12.9 11.31 11.49
    Assists per game 20.9 18.2 18.5 18.0 20.8 18.2 20.1 19.9 19.0 21.3 19.50 19.48
    PPP Margin (WLU - Opp.) 0.27 0.24 0.29 0.15 0.26 0.22 0.23 0.21 0.23 0.30 0.24 0.24
    Scoring Margin (WLU - Opp.) 21.4 20.4 24.0 11.8 21.9 18.2 18.9 17.6 18.0 24.1 19.62 19.65

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  • Columbuseer
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    West Liberty National Ranking as of 2/1/22
    • West Liberty is in the top 5 nationally in 9 categories!
    • 90th percentile in 14 categories!
    • WLU now shooting over 50% FGs and nearly 39% from three point range
    • Assists are nearly 21 a game
    • Assist to turnover ratio is an amazing 1.71, considering the rapid pace of play and the increased number of possessions in a game.

    Date National Ranking West Liberty rank Value
    2/1/2022 Scoring Offense 1 99.20
    2/1/2022 Scoring Margin 1 21.00
    2/1/2022 Assists Per Game 2 20.90
    2/1/2022 Steals Per Game 3 11.60
    2/1/2022 Turnover Margin 3 8.00
    2/1/2022 Turnovers Forced 3 20.15
    2/1/2022 Assist Turnover Ratio 4 1.71
    2/1/2022 Three-Point Attempts 5 604.00
    2/1/2022 Three-Point Field Goals Per Game 5 11.70
    2/1/2022 Offensive Rebounds per game 10 14.10
    2/1/2022 Field-Goal Percentage 14 50.03
    2/1/2022 Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage 26 38.74
    2/1/2022 Free-Throw Attempts 27 406.00
    2/1/2022 Free-Throw Made 30 290.00
    2/1/2022 Total Rebounds per game 42 39.25
    2/1/2022 Rebound Margin 51 4.00
    2/1/2022 Blocked Shots Per Game 69 3.60
    2/1/2022 Free-Throw Percentage 141 71.43
    2/1/2022 Defensive Rebounds per game 184 25.15
    2/1/2022 Field-Goal Percentage Defense 208 45.78

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  • Columbuseer
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    Originally posted by Scrub View Post
    I'll tell you who was particularly impressive on Sunday: Austin Webb. He only had a few points, but I was at the game and his hustle plays (some of the things that don't show up in the box) were very noticeable and very key. The box shows 6 boards for Webb, but I would guess that about 5 of those were of the out-hustle-the-bigger-guy variety, some of which kept offensive possessions alive on tip-outs to a guard. His hands were active in passing lanes all game long with lots of tips. As an observer who was at the game and not simply looking at a box score or viewing what the camera showed, I can attest that Webb had a very impressive performance on Sunday doing all the little things that make WLU basketball WLU basketball. Really pleased to see the development of the young guys. I would guess that if Yoakum were not injured in pre-season, Webb might even be redshirting, but here he is making key contributions and growing into a role late in the season (much like Sarson did last year). Glad to see it.
    Great insights. I have felt that in the past, Austin was still adjusting to the game and was intent on not making a mistake. He was never really challenging his opponent on offense, but just making the pass rapidly to his acclaimed teammates. Understandable for a freshman. As you described, in this game, Austin started to get more comfortable and just play the game without thinking. His ceiling is very high, with his smarts, long arms, passing and three point shooting. Another year in the weight room and he could be a force.

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  • Scrub
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    I'll tell you who was particularly impressive on Sunday: Austin Webb. He only had a few points, but I was at the game and his hustle plays (some of the things that don't show up in the box) were very noticeable and very key. The box shows 6 boards for Webb, but I would guess that about 5 of those were of the out-hustle-the-bigger-guy variety, some of which kept offensive possessions alive on tip-outs to a guard. His hands were active in passing lanes all game long with lots of tips. As an observer who was at the game and not simply looking at a box score or viewing what the camera showed, I can attest that Webb had a very impressive performance on Sunday doing all the little things that make WLU basketball WLU basketball. Really pleased to see the development of the young guys. I would guess that if Yoakum were not injured in pre-season, Webb might even be redshirting, but here he is making key contributions and growing into a role late in the season (much like Sarson did last year). Glad to see it.

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  • Columbuseer
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    Observations on West Liberty versus WV Wesleyan
    • :The WVW strategy was to:
      • Slow the pace of the game; they pulled the ball out to start the offense even when they broke the press and had a numerical advantage.
      • At the 12:24 mark of the first half, WVW led 14-12, on a pace for a 70-point game.
    • WVW was doing reasonably well for the first 8 minutes. What happened?
      • WVW did not have enough depth to withstand the physical and mental stress of the WLU pace of play.
      • WVW started making live ball turnovers.
    • West Liberty started elevating its pressure and energy in both platoons, while doing a great job of sharing the ball and moving without the ball.
      • In the first 8 minutes, WLU was getting easy shots, but just missing them. This started to change around the 10-minute mark of the first half.
      • WLU was making unforced turnovers trying the make an extra pass when teammates zigged when they should have zagged. But their intent was on sharing the ball and these issues would only be temporary.
      • We are seeing the younger players, especially those in the second platoon get more comfortable and starting to play at an ever-higher level.
      • Opponents now have at least 9 players to worry about getting hot and hitting deep threes. WLU was 21-40 from three for 53%.
        • Patrik, Malik, Bryce, Cmont, and Victor were known threats.
        • Now add Ben Sarson (5-5), Garrett Denbow (5-8), Zach Rasile (3-4), Luke Powell (1-2) and Austin Webb (1-3)
        • There is no one that opponents can leave open in order to provide defensive help on Patrick, Malik, Bryce, or Victor.
      • WLU made an amazing 1.4 points per FGA and an incredible 1.51 points per possession
      • WLU controlled the offensive glass getting a dominating 51% of the rebounds off their glass.
      • WLU got steals on 50% of their forced turnovers.
      • They got WVW so tired with their pace and ball movement that on several occasions, a WLU player would get a rebound and go coast to coast for an uncontested layup, running past exhausted WVW players.
    • The referees were not calling a tight game, which favored WLU, and reduced stoppages of play. WLU shot 100% FT on 8-8. WVW only shot 7-13 FTs


    Opponent W.VA. WESLEYAN
    Date 01/30/22
    Score 109-65
    w/l W
    FG 40
    FGA 78
    FG Pct 51%
    3FG 21
    3 FGA 40
    3 FG PCT 53%
    FT 8
    FTA 8
    FT PCT 100%
    Off Reb 20
    Def Reb 24
    Tot Reb 44
    Reb Per Game 39.2
    PF 15
    Assist 28
    TO 10
    Blk 6
    Steal 8
    Pts 109
    Avg Pts Per Game 99.2
    Steals per Forced TO 50%
    Assist to TO Ratio 2.80
    Assist per FG 70%
    Points Per FGA 1.40
    Points Per Possession 1.51
    Num Possessions 72
    Opponent Defense Reb 19
    Off Reb Efficiency 51%
    Forced TO 16
    Game num 20
    Two Pt FG % 50.0%
    Effective Shooting % 64.74%

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  • Columbuseer
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    FYI Luke Denbow is on fire for Ashland high.
    • broke 21 year old school assist record with 449 assists
    • Tied 50 year old school game scoring record with 42 points a couple of weeks ago
    • Already leading scorer in ashland history with 1317 on dec 28- probably overv 1500 points now
    • Hit 4 consecutive deep three jump shots over defenders tonight - had 20 points with 5 min. Left in 2nd quarter. Finished with 34 pts and 7 assists
    Perfect fit for wlu!

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  • Columbuseer
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    Originally posted by Scrub View Post

    Totally agree. I hate the taunting and jawing, and I don't mind seeing a kid T'd up for it. In McKinney's case, I think it was a product of frustration after the WLU guys were getting banged around pretty good last night. Malik seems like a pretty easy-going guy on the court most of the time, but even the best of us can lose ourselves when pushed.
    I agree. Malik is easy going. But he is such an awesome defender on the press in denying the inbounds pass that he takes a lot of contact and forearm shoves from opponents. Couple of years ago at frostburg he drew two offensive fouls on shoves on successive in bound plays from the same opponent! Just needs to ignore it for the team.
    Last edited by Columbuseer; 01-27-2022, 06:41 PM.

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