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  • Who's Going D1???

    @Bballscoop1 on twitter saying he heard 2 GLVC schools plan on transitioning to D1 in the next couple years. Don't shoot the messenger.

  • #2
    Here's the full tweet:

    I got some information late last night that 2 NCAA D2 schools will be transitioning over to D1 in the next couple of years. Both schools are in the GLVC. Stay tuned.
    8:15 PM · May 9, 2020·Twitter Web App

    The two main guesses in the comments on twitter are USI and Drury, mainly USI for sure, also Lindenwood mentioned. Purely speculation at this point.

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    • #3
      I realize that USI and Lindenwood are the ones being most speculated. However....

      I think UIndy has to at least consider it. Look how many D2s near them have disappeared in recent years. (which would only get worse if USI goes)

      I’m sure they will be watching Bellarmine’s transition with interest. Bellarmine basically said that they thought they had to go big, or risk shrinking/irrelevance. Kind of an “expand or die” mentality. Their president was pretty clear that she viewed the D1 jump to more about the school as a whole than just athletics. They want this to help expand the entire university’s reach, visibility and impact.

      If BU is successful, I wonder if UIndy thinks about it. Enrollment is similar to Butler, bigger than Valpo and twice as big as Evansville.

      Last edited by BlueBlood; 05-10-2020, 05:47 AM.

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      • #4
        The interesting issue is that there is a large cost to going D1 due to sports and scholarship expansions. Does the potential fallout of Covid-19 hurt bottom lines enough to make schools reconsider the extra expense of D1, especially private schools. Here is a story Forbes did on private schools last fall...surprising to me that, according to their formula, KWC (and Brescia, a Catholic NAIA school in Owensboro) was better off financially than BU! https://www.forbes.com/sites/schifri.../#e7b29e3770d7

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        • #5
          Latest tweet says the 2 schools are USI and Lindenwood.

          The 2 GLVC schools that will be transitioning over to NCAA D1 in the next couple of years goes as follows: 1. University of Southern Indiana 2. Lindenwood University I was told that both schools have alot of money and unbelievable facilities to make the transition happen.

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          • #6
            Here are rankings of each conference and combined:

            GMAC
            Hillsdale College 4.5 A+
            Walsh University 2.08 C
            Cedarville University 2.02 C
            Ursuline College 2.01 C
            Kentucky Wesleyan College 1.93 C
            Trevecca Nazarene University 1.92 C
            The University of Findlay 1.62 C-
            Tiffin University 1.51 C-
            Ohio Dominican University 1.18 D
            Malone University 1.06 D
            Alderson Broaddus University 1.04 D
            Lake Erie College 0.98 D

            GLVC
            Lindenwood University MO 2.61 B-
            Maryville University of Saint Louis MO 2.44 C+
            Lewis University IL 1.75 C-
            Southwest Baptist University MO 1.73 C-
            Drury University MO 1.55 C-
            University of Indianapolis IN 1.54 C-
            William Jewell College MO 1.52 C-
            Bellarmine University KY 1.47 D
            McKendree University IL 1.19 D
            Quincy University IL 1.01 D
            Rockhurst University MO 0.99 D

            GLIAC
            Northwood University MI 2.88 B
            Davenport University MI 1.62 C-
            Ashland University OH 1.41 D

            All Midwest Private
            Hillsdale College MI 4.5 A+
            Northwood University MI 2.88 B
            Lindenwood University MO 2.61 B-
            Maryville University of Saint Louis MO 2.44 C+
            Walsh University OH 2.08 C
            Cedarville University OH 2.02 C
            Ursuline College OH 2.01 C
            Kentucky Wesleyan College KY 1.93 C
            Trevecca Nazarene University TN 1.92 C
            Lewis University IL 1.75 C-
            Southwest Baptist University MO 1.73 C-
            Davenport University MI 1.62 C-
            The University of Findlay OH 1.62 C-
            Drury University MO 1.55 C-
            University of Indianapolis IN 1.54 C-
            William Jewell College MO 1.52 C-
            Tiffin University OH 1.51 C-
            Bellarmine University KY 1.47 D
            Ashland University OH 1.41 D
            McKendree University IL 1.19 D
            Ohio Dominican University OH 1.18 D
            Malone University OH 1.06 D
            Alderson Broaddus University WV 1.04 D
            Quincy University IL 1.01 D
            Rockhurst University MO 0.99 D
            Lake Erie College OH 0.98 D

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            • #7
              Originally posted by WKYDave View Post
              Here are rankings of each conference and combined:

              GMAC
              Hillsdale College 4.5 A+
              Walsh University 2.08 C
              Cedarville University 2.02 C
              Ursuline College 2.01 C
              Kentucky Wesleyan College 1.93 C
              Trevecca Nazarene University 1.92 C
              The University of Findlay 1.62 C-
              Tiffin University 1.51 C-
              Ohio Dominican University 1.18 D
              Malone University 1.06 D
              Alderson Broaddus University 1.04 D
              Lake Erie College 0.98 D

              GLVC
              Lindenwood University MO 2.61 B-
              Maryville University of Saint Louis MO 2.44 C+
              Lewis University IL 1.75 C-
              Southwest Baptist University MO 1.73 C-
              Drury University MO 1.55 C-
              University of Indianapolis IN 1.54 C-
              William Jewell College MO 1.52 C-
              Bellarmine University KY 1.47 D
              McKendree University IL 1.19 D
              Quincy University IL 1.01 D
              Rockhurst University MO 0.99 D

              GLIAC
              Northwood University MI 2.88 B
              Davenport University MI 1.62 C-
              Ashland University OH 1.41 D

              All Midwest Private
              Hillsdale College MI 4.5 A+
              Northwood University MI 2.88 B
              Lindenwood University MO 2.61 B-
              Maryville University of Saint Louis MO 2.44 C+
              Walsh University OH 2.08 C
              Cedarville University OH 2.02 C
              Ursuline College OH 2.01 C
              Kentucky Wesleyan College KY 1.93 C
              Trevecca Nazarene University TN 1.92 C
              Lewis University IL 1.75 C-
              Southwest Baptist University MO 1.73 C-
              Davenport University MI 1.62 C-
              The University of Findlay OH 1.62 C-
              Drury University MO 1.55 C-
              University of Indianapolis IN 1.54 C-
              William Jewell College MO 1.52 C-
              Tiffin University OH 1.51 C-
              Bellarmine University KY 1.47 D
              Ashland University OH 1.41 D
              McKendree University IL 1.19 D
              Ohio Dominican University OH 1.18 D
              Malone University OH 1.06 D
              Alderson Broaddus University WV 1.04 D
              Quincy University IL 1.01 D
              Rockhurst University MO 0.99 D
              Lake Erie College OH 0.98 D
              What are these grades reflective of?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bryon Ramos View Post

                What are these grades reflective of?
                https://www.forbes.com/sites/schifri.../#289c36fd770d

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                • #9
                  I'd love to see any sources cited on his tweet. The Courier & Press guy replied that it's false.

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                  • #10
                    Bellarmine gets a D rating yet is going D1? Something doesn't jive there.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by laker View Post
                      Bellarmine gets a D rating yet is going D1? Something doesn't jive there.
                      I watched/read a lot of the announcements/statements re the school’s decision to go D1. Their President basically said that they did their research and believe that the marketplace will continue to erode for small private colleges - especially for ones that aren’t a brand name. This is an attempt to brand. She basically acknowledged that it’s a gamble - but feels like not elevating the reach/profile/brand/relevance of the university above its present level (and that of numerous other small private colleges) is more dangerous than doing it.

                      Having 2 daughters just go through the college selection process, I think she may be on to something. It seems like today’s kids understand the tremendous financial savings associated with online schools or community colleges. They also understand the appeal/intrigue/experience of attending a brand-name residential campus. The lesser known schools in between those two groupings appear to be the ones getting squeezed.

                      I’m not saying it will work, but I’m intrigued by the expand/elevate/distinguish or risk dying thought process.
                      Last edited by BlueBlood; 05-11-2020, 09:20 AM. Reason: spelling

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by schnautza View Post
                        I'd love to see any sources cited on his tweet. The Courier & Press guy replied that it's false.
                        Every single Lindenwood connection I have has said they don't know anything about it.

                        Doesn't mean it's not true, but something like this usually makes it's way around internally before anyone gets a sniff externally.
                        Cool Story Bro

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                        • #13
                          Yeah, I have a solid Lindenwood connection or two, and they'd be surprised to hear this. I can see it happening one day, though, as LU has some nice facilities and seems to have an increasing enrollment.

                          As for Bellarmine, the academics there remain top-notch, but my understanding is that spending got a little out of control during the previous administration (to be fair, the late, great Jay McGowan did many wonderful things for BU). Between that, being fairly tuition-dependent, and the endowment taking a hit like everyone else's (I don't think it has ever topped $80M), there's been some tightening of the proverbial financial belt. As BlueBlood noted, the D-I move is definitely about more than just athletics.

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                          • #14
                            USI was not financially stable enough, prior to Covid-19, to be able to afford going DI, now there is no way they are stable enough. It would be a big boost for them to go DI but Rochon had already helped put USI into a deficit and now I can't even imagine what the financials look like.

                            USI has coaches and facilities that could handle the transition to DI but I don't know that the administration is in place to be able to handle it.

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                            • #15
                              Relatively speaking, Lindenwood is okay financially. But talking from a traditional Lindenwood perspective, this would not be a wise move. Lindenwood has always prided itself on being a financially responsible and smart university. At one point, they were one of only two 4-year schools operating in the black.

                              Enrollment has leveled off, just like it has for everyone, and the move to D2 proved to be more expensive than many in the organization where comfortable with.

                              The move could happen one day sure, but I don't believe it will be within this decade.

                              If this turns out to be true, I will be absolutely stunned. Every bit of information I've gotten points to this being a bogus report, so I have to go with that.
                              Cool Story Bro

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