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  • #61
    Re: There's the B1G, and then there is everyone else

    Originally posted by catatonic View Post
    And sometimes the move you make depends on circumstances at the time. Mizzou wound up in the SEC but really preferred the BIG. The SEC preferred OU but wound up with Mizzou because the SEC really needed a second school to come on board with TAMU and OU was would only come with OSU whereas Mizzou had no such demand.
    Without question, Missouri has wanted to be in the B1G for a long, long time. The governor of Missouri kind of made a mess of things when he tipped that Missouri was making overtures to the B1G about joining back in 08 or 09. I kind of wonder if in fact things were in the works.

    If I recall correctly, the Big 12 went south when either the Nebraska chancellor demanded at a Big 12 presidents meeting along about 2009, that UT cede their media rights to the conference, as the other schools had done. The UT president, I don't remember his name, said "We are not prepared to do that." Texas then publicly accused Nebraska of secretly "conference shopping" ("we didn't start this but by gosh we will finish it" https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ew-is-verified) , when it was later discovered that it was actually UT that had been making overtures to the Big 10 months prior. (Remember the "We have a Texas Tech problem" email? https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...-tech-problem/ ) Talk about making a mess of your credibility.

    That day was game over. Four flagship schools announced departure within twelve months.

    In terms of cash, it was Nebraska that won the lottery, while A&M and Missouri also improved themselves significantly. CU actually did not improve themselves financially, but the stability of the PAC12 long term is solid. That was also a good move.

    The Big 12 is currently in fine financial shape from a media payout standpoint, but that is only because of OU and Texas and the panache that they deliver.
    Last edited by Herb Street; 07-14-2018, 07:49 PM.

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    • #62
      Re: There's the B1G, and then there is everyone else

      Originally posted by Herb Street View Post
      The B1G won't add anyone further from the ACC. There's no one from the ACC that brings compelling added value to the conference in terms of media. If they wanted good football they would have gone after Florida State or Clemson. If they wanted good basketball, they would have poached NC or Duke. That's not what the B1G wanted. They wanted big media markets.

      They won't add any SEC schools. But they are holding two spots for OU and Texas you can count on it.
      None of the existing ACC schools have any desire of leaving their conference, and didn't really care that much about Maryland leaving. Maryland doesn't really have that big of a following. The Terps only average around 35 thousand in attendance 1/3rd empty seats, and don't really travel that well. They had a bump in attendance in 2014 but has fallen back. Overall, Maryland's football program hasn't been very impressive, and had only won one ACC football title in the past 30 years. Pitt and Louisville were nice additions to the ACC.

      Maybe Maryland will be more successful in the B1G.

      Rutgers isn't really doing much better: http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/in...al_upsets.html
      Last edited by Eagle74; 07-15-2018, 10:29 AM.

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      • #63
        Re: There's the B1G, and then there is everyone else

        Originally posted by Eagle74 View Post
        None of the existing ACC schools have any desire of leaving their conference, and didn't really care that much about Maryland leaving. Maryland doesn't really have that big of a following. The Terps only average around 35 thousand in attendance 1/3rd empty seats, and don't really travel that well. They had a bump in attendance in 2014 but has fallen back. Overall, Maryland's football program hasn't been very impressive, and had only won one ACC football title in the past 30 years. Pitt and Louisville were nice additions to the ACC.

        Maybe Maryland will be more successful in the B1G.

        Rutgers isn't really doing much better: http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/in...al_upsets.html
        Maryland and Rutgers are crying all the way to the bank.

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        • #64
          Re: There's the B1G, and then there is everyone else

          Originally posted by Eagle74 View Post
          Maybe Maryland will be more successful in the B1G.

          Rutgers isn't really doing much better.
          Actually both are doihg better than they have ever have been. $$$

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          • #65
            Re: There's the B1G, and then there is everyone else

            If it was all based on $$$ the Oregon Ducks would be the best football program in the nation.

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            • #66
              Re: There's the B1G, and then there is everyone else

              Originally posted by Eagle74 View Post
              If it was all based on $$$ the Oregon Ducks would be the best football program in the nation.
              Yes, I believe that is in fact how they became one of the best football programs in the nation. $$$ ala Boone Pickens is also how a middling Oklahoma State became a perennial top 15 program.

              Money can do a lot.

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              • #67
                Re: There's the B1G, and then there is everyone else

                The Ducks did have a good run, but have kind of fallen back into mediocrity the last 2 season / 4-8 and 7-6.
                Plus, even though all of that money has been pumped into the program over the years, they still haven't won a single national football championship.

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                • #68
                  Re: There's the B1G, and then there is everyone else

                  Originally posted by Eagle74 View Post
                  The Ducks did have a good run, but have kind of fallen back into mediocrity the last 2 season / 4-8 and 7-6.
                  Plus, even though all of that money has been pumped into the program over the years, they still haven't won a single national football championship.
                  Few schools have won a NC. And you can’t draw conclusions from a couple of subpar seasons.

                  What was their record before Phil Knight’s dollars came in?

                  Dollars are the difference. Find me any national champion over the last 20 years that wasn’t at the top end of their respective conference in revenues.

                  The Texas Techs and West Virginias have zero chance to get into the NC conversation. The dollars aren’t there.

                  Central Fl came close, but they didn’t have the dollars to keep their coach.
                  Last edited by Herb Street; 07-15-2018, 08:39 PM.

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