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Originally posted by Tony Nicolette View PostI mean, if I'm Holy Cross or Colgate or Incarnate Word or South Dakota State, I can be semi-competitive to competitive in football but I have no hope of anything real in pretty much any other sport. So, they may be in the right spot for football, but one could argue the rest of their D1 existence is all but pointless.
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Originally posted by 4_tattoos View Post
Just curious has Cal Berkley and/or UCLA ever done anything to prevent UC Davis from rising to their level athletically?
I know some states have legally blocked lower level public universities from moving up divisions in NCAA, pretty much allowing only the state's flagship schools to be the only major D1 presence. I feel that over the years Grand Valley State is constantly mentioned as a D2 school that could easily transition to D1 but the state of Michigan won't allow them to do so. Same thing with Wisconsin-Whitewater in D3.
I have people regularly ask me when is GV moving up, or why they have yet to. My standard answer is: "How long you got?" GV is right where it belongs, and all of the proof needed lies within short 60, 100, and 150 miles drives of campus. Just look at the $ Western, Central and Eastern pour into their athletic departments from their general fund every year so they can be no-names in D1. It's pure lunacy. Until the NCAA is disbanded, or the divisions realign, GV should stay right where it is.
As for schools that should move down, I think that begs a larger question to which I just alluded: When does the NCAA blow up, or realign? I mean, if I'm Holy Cross or Colgate or Incarnate Word or South Dakota State, I can be semi-competitive to competitive in football but I have no hope of anything real in pretty much any other sport. So, they may be in the right spot for football, but one could argue the rest of their D1 existence is all but pointless.
SO, when looking at D1 schools that could/potentially SHOULD move down I think other posters are on the right track that this is a question that may be better-asked regarding NON-football schools. There are probably far more of those who have a story that is compelling to a more appropriate alignment. At least within football, they're primarily playing schools with a story and mission that is at least in the neighborhood.
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Originally posted by 4_tattoos View PostI can honestly say I've never heard of Chicago State before you guys replied to this thread.
If Chicago State does drop out of Division I, they wouldn't be the first Chicago area college/university to do so; Northeastern Illinois dropped all sports in the late 1990s after playing in Division I for 10 years.
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Western Illinois has been rumored as a potential school that might need to reclassify to Division II.
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Originally posted by 4_tattoos View Post
Just curious has Cal Berkley and/or UCLA ever done anything to prevent UC Davis from rising to their level athletically?
I know some states have legally blocked lower level public universities from moving up divisions in NCAA, pretty much allowing only the state's flagship schools to be the only major D1 presence. I feel that over the years Grand Valley State is constantly mentioned as a D2 school that could easily transition to D1 but the state of Michigan won't allow them to do so. Same thing with Wisconsin-Whitewater in D3.
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Originally posted by tsull View PostIn defense of UC Davis, they should be in the Mountain West and D-1. Darn near 40,000 students, top 30 school academically, and new $40 MILLION football operations/athletic facility being built. In the Sacramento metro area (15 miles away), they spent too much time in D2.
I know some states have legally blocked lower level public universities from moving up divisions in NCAA, pretty much allowing only the state's flagship schools to be the only major D1 presence. I feel that over the years Grand Valley State is constantly mentioned as a D2 school that could easily transition to D1 but the state of Michigan won't allow them to do so. Same thing with Wisconsin-Whitewater in D3.
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Originally posted by 4_tattoos View PostI can honestly say I've never heard of Chicago State before you guys replied to this thread.
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I can honestly say I've never heard of Chicago State before you guys replied to this thread.
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Originally posted by 4_tattoos View Post
How much are schools making just to have their team eliminated in that Play-In round at Dayton?
In defense of UC Davis, they should be in the Mountain West and D-1. Darn near 40,000 students, top 30 school academically, and new $40 MILLION football operations/athletic facility being built. In the Sacramento metro area (15 miles away), they spent too much time in D2. They finally hired a great coach (alum Dan Hawkins) and really profile as an FBS school.
The MEAC, Chicago State, Northern Colorado, and others? Insane that they play D1, and Augustana and others moving up will do no better.
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Originally posted by CALUPA69 View PostAnother factor is the mega payday known as MARCH MADNESS. It is very much within reach to field a competitive D1 MBB even if you stink in all other sports. Occasional trips to the DANCE will carry your program for some time. The truth is that scenario is fool's gold and costs many an administrator their good life.
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Originally posted by CalifOKRA View PostThis is an interesting topic. Is it pretty rare for schools to move down?
Prior to that Winston-Salem State returned to D2 in 2010 after about three years being a transitional member in Division 1 (MEAC). The story from some of the guys in the CIAA forum is the WSSU never had the finances to be D1 and the decision to make the move to D1 was divisive amongst the school's administration and alumni.
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The reluctance of some of these schools comes from a sense of failure if they move down. The administrators seem to think it's better to drive their institution into the ditch, both athletically and economically, rather than reset their mission and compete realistically with schools of similar aims. Another factor is the mega payday known as MARCH MADNESS. It is very much within reach to field a competitive D1 MBB even if you stink in all other sports. Occasional trips to the DANCE will carry your program for some time. The truth is that scenario is fool's gold and costs many an administrator their good life.
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Originally posted by laker View Post
UC-Davis has been a playoff team. They were up on Cal yesterday, lost but gave them a really good game.
Idaho State has been talked about in the GNAC forums as maybe needing to move down, but that talk has died off as they have improved over the team that CWU demolished.
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Originally posted by 4_tattoos View Post
Ohhh. What about Sac State, Cal Poly and San Diego?
You know what. Now that I think about it, San Diego has had a recent playoff appearance. Don't remember how far they advanced though.
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