Police presents at upcoming D2 Football Games?

[Eagle74]

A simple solution that the whole nation should understand and embrace. Whether or not you've committed a crime or not, always immediately stop and comply to the request of our peace keepers, never resist! Keep in mind that just like the average American citizen, over 99 percent of Police Officers are good people and really prefer a peaceful outcome where everyone involved lives to see another day. Teach your children well!!

[NWHoops]

The similarity is that it makes both sides jumpy and quick to pull the trigger.

Let me know when "jumpy" is a legitimate reason for self-defense in the court of law. Until then, hold officers accountable for their actions and you will see less police shootings and less protests.

[Bart]

Here's the difference you seem to be missing- when those who shoot officers are found they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The same can't be said when officers shoot individuals when it's not a life or death situation.

The similarity is that it makes both sides jumpy and quick to pull the trigger.

[NWHoops]

Four more Police Officers shot last night, one was shot in the head and is in critical condition. No protest / riots or looting planned in reference to this major national problem.

Here's the difference you seem to be missing- when those who shoot officers are found they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The same can't be said when officers shoot individuals when it's not a life or death situation.

[Eagle74]

Four more Police Officers shot last night, one was shot in the head and is in critical condition. No protest / riots or looting planned in reference to this major national problem.

[NWHoops]

Bingo. Seems to be no problem lumping all protesters together as thugs, looters, and rioters but get upset when they feel all cops are lumped together. As if the media doesn't selectively cover and portray those events also.

[IUPNation]

Some people want to caricature cops as all one thing (often male, white, conservative and racists). Makes it easier for them to demonize them. Truth is, they are as diverse as the society as a whole. The one thing that almost every cop believes in is the rule of law. And the vast majority also hate when a fellow cop breaks the law. Makes it that much harder for all the good cops to do their jobs.

I always preached to the officers that worked for me that they should never make a decision based on anger because when you are angry, you make mistakes. Of course, sometimes that is easier said than done.

I would note that many of these protests and riots are based on an incomplete understanding of what has happened. While videos are good at showing the immediate situation, they are often cropped to show only what people with particular motivations want them to show. And so called eyewitness testimony can be a bit squed at times. I'm reminded of the Furgeson shooting were a number of eyewitnesses said the victim had his hands up and was saying "DONT SHOOT." After all the evidence was recovered, turns out that didn't happen. Also the situation at the Lincoln Memorial were the Kentucky HS student was shown smirking in the face of the Indian chief playing his drum.. When the entire video was finally revealed, the facts were quite a bit different than what the media and certain activist groups first lead us to believe.

Weather people want to believe it or not, there are groups that are trying to push a particular agenda. Quite often that agenda runs counter to the facts.

[IUPNation]

What is the saying about bad apples? I think most cops are good. They don't consciously discriminate and see their jobs as a public service. But if they stay silent or look the other way, then they are part of the problem.

Absolutely.

Do I think all cops are bad? No. But the bad ones seem to dictate how law enforcement runs...like politicians.

[njmav1]

What is the saying about bad apples? I think most cops are good. They don't consciously discriminate and see their jobs as a public service. But if they stay silent or look the other way, then they are part of the problem.

[IUPNation]

Some people want to caricature cops as all one thing (often male, white, conservative and racists). Makes it easier for them to demonize them. Truth is, they are as diverse as the society as a whole. The one thing that almost every cop believes in is the rule of law. And the vast majority also hate when a fellow cop breaks the law. Makes it that much harder for all the good cops to do their jobs.

I always preached to the officers that worked for me that they should never make a decision based on anger because when you are angry, you make mistakes. Of course, sometimes that is easier said than done.

I would note that many of these protests and riots are based on an incomplete understanding of what has happened. While videos are good at showing the immediate situation, they are often cropped to show only what people with particular motivations want them to show. And so called eyewitness testimony can be a bit squed at times. I'm reminded of the Furgeson shooting were a number of eyewitnesses said the victim had his hands up and was saying "DONT SHOOT." After all the evidence was recovered, turns out that didn't happen. Also the situation at the Lincoln Memorial were the Kentucky HS student was shown smirking in the face of the Indian chief playing his drum.. When the entire video was finally revealed, the facts were quite a bit different than what the media and certain activist groups first lead us to believe.

Weather people want to believe it or not, there are groups that are trying to push a particular agenda. Quite often that agenda runs counter to the facts.

[ruwallydog]

I'm thinking the direction this thread is going it maybe should be moved to the Off Topic forums. It may be best to do that before people get in trouble acting like this thread is in the Off Topic forums on both sides of the argument.

Exactly!

[boatcapt]

Some people want to caricature cops as all one thing (often male, white, conservative and racists). Makes it easier for them to demonize them. Truth is, they are as diverse as the society as a whole. The one thing that almost every cop believes in is the rule of law. And the vast majority also hate when a fellow cop breaks the law. Makes it that much harder for all the good cops to do their jobs.

I always preached to the officers that worked for me that they should never make a decision based on anger because when you are angry, you make mistakes. Of course, sometimes that is easier said than done.

I would note that many of these protests and riots are based on an incomplete understanding of what has happened. While videos are good at showing the immediate situation, they are often cropped to show only what people with particular motivations want them to show. And so called eyewitness testimony can be a bit squed at times. I'm reminded of the Furgeson shooting were a number of eyewitnesses said the victim had his hands up and was saying "DONT SHOOT." After all the evidence was recovered, turns out that didn't happen. Also the situation at the Lincoln Memorial were the Kentucky HS student was shown smirking in the face of the Indian chief playing his drum.. When the entire video was finally revealed, the facts were quite a bit different than what the media and certain activist groups first lead us to believe.

Weather people want to believe it or not, there are groups that are trying to push a particular agenda. Quite often that agenda runs counter to the facts.

[Wildcat Khan]

I'm thinking the direction this thread is going it maybe should be moved to the Off Topic forums. It may be best to do that before people get in trouble acting like this thread is in the Off Topic forums on both sides of the argument.

[SW_Mustang]

If I understand the BLM argument, police are racially profiling and actively targeting blacks and then shooting them with no provocation or legitimate reason. And that these police killings are happening in epidemic numbers across the country.. We have been told that to suggest that it isn't happening or that the numbers don't bear out the wholesale slaughter of blacks at the hands of the police proves you are a racist and you therefore are subject to attack, both on the internet and physically. That to even utter the phrase All Lives Matter again shows you to be a racist and subject to attack.

As I've said before, the numbers don't support the views of BLM. Yet, they hold America hostage and drive an untrue narrative that does nothing but divide the country.

I have heard that idea floating around and I do disagree with it. I don't think law enforcement as a whole targets any one race over another. I think, as a whole, they remain largely neutral. I think there are other societal factors that influence more crime in the black community though, and that's where we see the problem. That's just my opinion, I have nothing to back it up with.

Then again, I grew up in a community that's 87% White, 84% Republican, and have never walked a day in a black person's shoes - which really is the key takeaway here. I don't know what they experience in their interactions.

Obviously, they are a big nationwide pool of people that make up law enforcement - so some amount are bound to be racist. I don't have any way to estimate that % is. If it's 5%, how do we decrease that number?

To your comment about BLM - a lot of people feel that the term "All Lives Matter" is used to silence people who feel that black lives aren't getting a fair seat at the table. We can debate whether or not that's true (I happen to believe it is), but that's why people believe what they believe.

[SW_Mustang]

That sounds like the typical May Day protests/riots in Seattle. Most get permits to block certain streets downtown and are 100% peaceful. When others join them and start violence, the protesters are upset with the rioters and sometimes even alert police to what is going on. I never see that on national news, but do on local news when they actually interview the peaceful protesters.

I also remember the white policeman in June that joined the protest march over George Floyd, again something that appears to be forgotten when talking about police.

Lot of videos coming out during the GF protests showing police and protestors getting along nicely. I believe some of the officers in my town marched with the crowd - as the protest was set up legally, thet were also blocking traffic at intersections.

Again though, the idea that both sides can actually get along and be civil isn't profitable for the national news outlets to broadcast. I believe I saw one video in Atlanta of a police officer surrounded by a crowd of protesters just chatting with them, and people were shaking his hand and cheering for him as he spoke - and obviously the one where the cop in full riot gear hugs a protester.