FCS schools have to pay $$$ to help Power 4

[MooseLodge]

Hmm....in all DI sports you have scholarship limits with football having the largest number of 85. But how many kids are on the teams? More than 85. So how do you get the larger numbers? Via walk-on non-scholarship athletes who fill out a FASFA and get aid to include other academic scholarship monies. Thus, members of the team do utilize federal funds while still gaining the privileges afforded to scholarship athletes. All other sports (maybe not Men's Basketball) can divide scholarships like DII so IMO ALL sports are using federal funds in one way shape or form.

maybe pass a law where if you're getting a Pell grant or student loan, you don't get to ball?

That actually might not be a bad idea. A lot of these athletes have no business being in university, truth be told.

[Gorilla John 92]

Hmm....in all DI sports you have scholarship limits with football having the largest number of 85. But how many kids are on the teams? More than 85. So how do you get the larger numbers? Via walk-on non-scholarship athletes who fill out a FASFA and get aid to include other academic scholarship monies. Thus, members of the team do utilize federal funds while still gaining the privileges afforded to scholarship athletes. All other sports (maybe not Men's Basketball) can divide scholarships like DII so IMO ALL sports are using federal funds in one way shape or form.

[Predatory Primates]

Just like the janitor and professor are employees. Unless the players unionize and collective bargain. Even then they will be employees, just under whatever terms they negotiate with management.

There is no Title 9 for janitors and professors. My prefiction is that eventually, there won't be for these employees either unless hiring quotas become a thing in the US.

[MooseLodge]

I believe what he is saying is that, if "student-athletes" become employees of the university and are paid a salary, they are no longer amateurs. There's a very fair and realistic argument that "student-athletes" will be considered professionals.

Just like the janitor and professor are employees. Unless the players unionize and collective bargain. Even then they will be employees, just under whatever terms they negotiate with management.

[CalifOKRA]

We're not talking about professional sports.

I believe what he is saying is that, if "student-athletes" become employees of the university and are paid a salary, they are no longer amateurs. There's a very fair and realistic argument that "student-athletes" will be considered professionals.

[tsull]

Title 9 doesn't apply to professional sports. It'll die once the lobbies get rolling, as it is be susceptible to the whims of those in office and their employers.

We're not talking about professional sports.

[Predatory Primates]

Title IX would like a word.

Title 9 doesn't apply to professional sports. It'll die once the lobbies get rolling, as it is be susceptible to the whims of those in office and their employers.

[Bballfan]

Schollies could be replaced by a pay scale pretty easily in D2.

Women's sports would likely die, though.

Title IX would like a word.

[Predatory Primates]

Schollies could be replaced by a pay scale pretty easily in D2.

Women's sports would likely die, though.

[MooseLodge]

You’re telling me that universities that have hundreds of employees can’t don’t have a personal department that could handle this?

We may soon find out!

[GorillaTeacher]

It might also be the only viable option to save programs. What universities will have the brain trust and funds to navigate this minefield?

You’re telling me that universities that have hundreds of employees can’t don’t have a personal department that could handle this?

[MooseLodge]

Probably the quickest way to kill your programs as well.

It might also be the only viable option to save programs. What universities will have the brain trust and funds to navigate this minefield?

[GorillaTeacher]

Most will convert to a non-athletic scholarship model and call it good. That's the path of least resistance by 1000X.

Probably the quickest way to kill your programs as well.

[MooseLodge]

I have no doubt that the unions will be all over this, and the union collective bargaining officials will end up with a lot more clout than the coaches and ADs. I foresee many programs just throwing in the towel.

Most will convert to a non-athletic scholarship model and call it good. That's the path of least resistance by 1000X.

[Eagle74]

Remember, your D1 athlete gets a scholarship worth $100K minimum per year when one factors in room and board, tuition, counselors, tutors, nutrition, free travel, free gear, etc. If the Dartmouth dudes win, scholarships leave (Dartmouth doesn't get athletic scholarships anyway ... this is what the Dartmouth frat boys don't like). If the student athletes are employed, colleges could set the scale at minimum wage like most work study students. They also must sign contracts, have sick days, vacation days, and yes, be fired immediately, not at the end of the season. Also, being taken out of the paycheck are State and federal taxes. Thirty hours a week at minimum wage? I'd rather have the scholarship ... guess those Ivy guys aren't very bright. I'd guess most student-athletes would make under $20K in their new model.

I have no doubt that the unions will be all over this, and the union collective bargaining officials will end up with a lot more clout than the coaches and ADs. I foresee many programs just throwing in the towel.