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Take a look at the mileage chart. Likely if NDC goes to the G-MAC, then AB likely goes to the MEC. I made a mileage chart which shows the trip differences for ABU:
MEC
West Virginia Wesleyan 40 minutes 23 miles
Davis & Elkins 39 minutes 27 miles
Fairmont State 52 minutes 32 miles
Glenville State 1 hour 20 min 71 miles
Frostburg State 1 hr 49 min 101 miles
Wheeling Jesuit 2 hr 3 min 116 miles
Charleston 2 hr 10 min 140 miles
West Liberty 2 hr 12 min 113 miles
WV State 2 hr 13 min 145 miles
Concord 2 hr 58 min 184 miles
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Ohio Valley 1 hr 58 min 104 miles
Malone 3 hr 20 min 214 miles
Walsh 3 hr 28 min 219 miles
Ohio Dominican 3 hr 38 min 210 miles
Ursuline 3 hr 47 min 233 miles
Lake Erie 4 hr 7 min 231 miles
Ashland 4 hr 8 min 245 miles
Cedarville 4 hr 19 min 250 miles
Tiffin 5 hr 17 min; 306 miles
Findlay 5 hr 9 min 306 miles
Hillsdale 6 hr 25 min 409 miles
KWC 7 hr 9 min 487 miles
Trevecca Nazarene 7 hr 48 min 525 miles
Every trip in the MEC is a same-day trip. No hotel stays. Less gas. Less wear-and-tear on vehicles. Less missed class time. Less meals to feed. More money could be spent on scholarships so that we can get back to being competitive like we were when the WVIAC dissolved. ABU is spending a ton of money right now on sports for travel, food and lodging.Last edited by JDonAB92; 05-22-2020, 04:54 PM.
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Originally posted by CALUPA69 View PostWhat I'm thinking is that the MEC, whether they believe it or not, is being slowly picked apart AS A FB LEAGUE. With the PSAC and GMAC as it's two closest competitors, why would a FB school remain in a league that will possibly be overlooked like the NE10 when the time comes for post season decisions. Last season's bracket had 1 MEC team, NDC, now generally regarded as most likely to move to the GMAC next. If that happens which team seems most likely to break through SRU, IUP, KUTZ, WCU, SHEP, SHIP, CAL, TIFFIN, ODU, FINDLAY and now ASHLAND ? IMO, both the NE10 and MEC are reaching the end of the football line unless something radical happens or they give up all aspirations to be competitive regionally. FROSTBURG was a nice pickup but the PSAC could lose UPJ and add FSU at any time.
There is no doubt that a huge influence on the decisions of some schools to join or form new leagues is to make postseason access easier. Frostburg State's route to the postseason is easier in the MEC than it would be if they joined the PSAC. Ashland's path is now easier as a member of the GMAC.
In your scenario, Frostburg's chances to break through would be easier than the rest.
It's a flaw of the system, which doesn't find what are truly the best teams in the region.
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Originally posted by D2Ohio View Post
Just my opinion. I can for see the power of the conference with the good traditional football schools: Hillsdale, Findlay, Ashland. I don't think the south should want to block NDC if those schools would allow them in.
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Originally posted by JDonAB92 View Post
Maybe some of the schools like Trevecca, AB and KWC feel they don't need another trip up to Cleveland especially a school that left when times were bleak. Those schools may not be so willing to vote for a school to come in when times are good. I don't know. Just wondering.
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What I'm thinking is that the MEC, whether they believe it or not, is being slowly picked apart AS A FB LEAGUE. With the PSAC and GMAC as it's two closest competitors, why would a FB school remain in a league that will possibly be overlooked like the NE10 when the time comes for post season decisions. Last season's bracket had 1 MEC team, NDC, now generally regarded as most likely to move to the GMAC next. If that happens which team seems most likely to break through SRU, IUP, KUTZ, WCU, SHEP, SHIP, CAL, TIFFIN, ODU, FINDLAY and now ASHLAND ? IMO, both the NE10 and MEC are reaching the end of the football line unless something radical happens or they give up all aspirations to be competitive regionally. FROSTBURG was a nice pickup but the PSAC could lose UPJ and add FSU at any time.
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Originally posted by ctrabs74 View Post
Notre Dame seems like the logical next member of the GMAC expansion, though weren't they one of the charter members of the league before they bolted for the MEC along with Urbana (or am I misremembering)?
It isn't a knock on NDC. They have an excellent school and an excellent athletic program. Maybe they like where they are at and are willing to pay the extra expenses. I find that part hard to believe in this day and age of private school economics. But to each his own. I just don't know if they have been offered membership. Time will tell.
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Originally posted by ctrabs74 View PostIf/when NDC leaves, who does that leave for the MEC in football? Fairmont? Frostburg? UNC Pembroke? Basketball shouldn't be as badly effected, unless West Liberty and Fairmont decide to shock the world and push their way into the PSAC or something equally ridiculous (and, yes, I'm being sarcastic here).
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Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post
I can understand why the GMAC would be cool to the idea. They are thriving. But in '12 the GLIAC had 16 FB members and they will begin '21 with 8. The security a 12-16 team league is you can survive members closing, dropping the sport or moving up or down, without being forced to come up with bizarre solutions, think NE10. If this were to happen I would expect GMAC to ask for unconditional surrender or no deal. They are in the best bargaining position given the exodus, past and future, in the MEC. I don't think the PSAC could realistically take on new members unless someone (SHU) were to leave. As you say it's not going to happen.....yet.Last edited by JDonAB92; 05-22-2020, 10:23 AM.
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Originally posted by Brandon View Post
Indianapolis should stay right where they are...
With St Joe and Bellarmine gone, that was the two closest schools. Could you expand slightly on why (I value this as I would consider you an "expert" on D2 matters)
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Sad to be leaving the GLIAC as my 4 years of ball consisted of regular trips to the Rapids and Upper P. Competition was great and those games were always extremely hard hitting games. Excited though for what the future holds in the GMAC. It just makes too much sense to make the move especially with this more severe version of the flu wreaking havoc on everything. Also excited to renew the rivalries with Findlay, Tiffin, Hillsdale and ODU. Hopefully my Eagles can go out on top in their final GLIAC season!
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Originally posted by ctrabs74 View Post
Just because a merger between the GMAC and MEC should happen (at least according to some posters upthread), that doesn't mean either side wants it to happen, nor does it mean that it needs to happen.
The GMAC deserves a lot of credit for building a high quality all-sports conference capped off by the addition of Ashland. I wouldn't be shocked if that ends up being enough for NDC to also make the move into the GMAC within the next year or two, since they're essentially an outpost on Lake Erie compared to the rest of the MEC's footprint in West Virginia/Western Maryland now that the MEC's other Ohio school, Urbana, is permanently closed.
Even with all that said, MEC football rode the Shepherd coattails until they left for the PSAC (a move I never thought would've happened, but the dumpster fire that was Cheyney athletics kinda made that move a necessity for both sides). MEC football then latched on to the success in Cleveland with NDC, and now it wouldn't surprise me if that's gone in a few years, if not sooner.
If/when NDC leaves, who does that leave for the MEC in football? Fairmont? Frostburg? UNC Pembroke? Basketball shouldn't be as badly effected, unless West Liberty and Fairmont decide to shock the world and push their way into the PSAC or something equally ridiculous (and, yes, I'm being sarcastic here).
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