G-MAC / GLIAC Updates

[UFOILERFAN]

"...and the GMAC schools that the GMAC apparently doesn't want." ??? If that was true the GMAC could just form a new league and leave some schools out. I can't imagine them doing something so lowdown and dirty.

[boatcapt]

They have the opportunity to leave every year...and they never do. That includes NDC, UIndy and the GMAC schools that the GMAC apparently doesn't want.

[Uindy18]

One of the major things that posters of the "NDC is going to move to the GMAC any day now" narrative had to do with some supposed desire by NDC to play against their "traditional" rivals from the NAIA days. Supposedly NDC had this great set of rivals that they had built "years" of tradition with. I kind of debunked this a couple of times showing that the supposed NAIA rivals were not as long or as deep as folks said it was. But if people still believe that, I would point out that as the years have rolled by, NDC has developed a larger pool of "rivals" in the MEC than they ever had in the NAIA. Only argument that could be made now is a "driving distance" one. And again, that is not as great as some would have us believe. But if you believe that it is, I would point out that this has been the case for nine years now and it hasn't been enough for NDC to say, we need to move.

You never know what the future holds but absent somthing that makes an NDC move to the GMAC a slam dunk, it doesn't appear that they have any real desire to move. This has been the case for nine years and counting and it seems to be the case for the forseable future.

Different matter, same conference. Imagine being a school that is part of the GMAC and almost every post about conference changes/expansion includes cutting YOUR team from the conference in favor of another school!! WOW...That's got to be insulting!!!

I will concede that NDC has had this issue in front of them for years, and still decided to not go. However, this was the argument that people used to keep Ashland in the GLIAC and then eventually made the move. I am not claiming NDC will leave tomorrow, but eventually the monetary savings usually supersede the bad blood/politics/etc. that has kept NDC out of the conference given enough time. Additionally, the more "Ohio-centric" the conference gets, the more substantial those monetary savings become. The template for DII conferences should be the GLIAC and the MIAA. A tight geographic set of core schools usually centered around one state or region. I see the future of the GMAC as Ohio and Indiana focused, and the future of the MEC as basically the old WVIAC..

And on the final comment, I would want my school to get in a conference that makes the most sense for the longevity of my school so that it does not run out of money over time and end up like Urbana and Saint Joseph's. That is why I am in favor of Uindy to the GMAC. It makes sense for my school to cut unneeded costs and for the GLVC to become more Missouri/Illinois focused.

[boatcapt]

I think the NDC to GMAC rumor will pretty much always be there until they make the move. Yes, everyone and their mother claims to have a source, but I do not think that discredits the idea. I simply think that with the addition of Ashland, the move to the GMAC makes to most sense for NDC purely from an aspect of lowering travel costs across all sports. If the GMAC were to lose KWC, TNU, or add Uindy, the NDC continues to make more sense. Additionally, I think the conference office being in Indianapolis has more to do with the NCAA being housed in Indy and the GMAC commish being an Indianapolis native than anything else.

One of the major things that posters of the "NDC is going to move to the GMAC any day now" narrative had to do with some supposed desire by NDC to play against their "traditional" rivals from the NAIA days. Supposedly NDC had this great set of rivals that they had built "years" of tradition with. I kind of debunked this a couple of times showing that the supposed NAIA rivals were not as long or as deep as folks said it was. But if people still believe that, I would point out that as the years have rolled by, NDC has developed a larger pool of "rivals" in the MEC than they ever had in the NAIA. Only argument that could be made now is a "driving distance" one. And again, that is not as great as some would have us believe. But if you believe that it is, I would point out that this has been the case for nine years now and it hasn't been enough for NDC to say, we need to move.

You never know what the future holds but absent somthing that makes an NDC move to the GMAC a slam dunk, it doesn't appear that they have any real desire to move. This has been the case for nine years and counting and it seems to be the case for the forseable future.

Different matter, same conference. Imagine being a school that is part of the GMAC and almost every post about conference changes/expansion includes cutting YOUR team from the conference in favor of another school!! WOW...That's got to be insulting!!!

[Uindy18]

"Ohio-Centric" is different than an Ohio conference. If you include UIndy, the GMAC would have 1/3 of it's members outside of Ohio as well as it's conference HQ. The "rumors" of NDC moving to the GMAC seem to be almost exclusively generated on this message board. Over the course of the last nine years, there have been several posters here saying that they have it on "good authority" that NDC would be moving to the GMAC any day now or that the GMAC had a "standing offer" to NDC for membership any time they wanted to join. Inspite of these message board rumors from folks claiming to be in contact with people in the know from the school and form the conference, it just never seems to happen.

I think the NDC to GMAC rumor will pretty much always be there until they make the move. Yes, everyone and their mother claims to have a source, but I do not think that discredits the idea. I simply think that with the addition of Ashland, the move to the GMAC makes to most sense for NDC purely from an aspect of lowering travel costs across all sports. If the GMAC were to lose KWC, TNU, or add Uindy, the NDC continues to make more sense. Additionally, I think the conference office being in Indianapolis has more to do with the NCAA being housed in Indy and the GMAC commish being an Indianapolis native than anything else.

[boatcapt]

I think the idea of the GMAC as an "Ohio" conference makes sense, and current trends seem to indicate that the GMAC will continue to be Ohio-centric. They added Ashland, and the WV schools are gone. They have been rumored to be adding another Ohio school in NDC. Hillsdale is a Michigan school, but it about as close to Ohio you can be without actually being in Ohio (like 20 minutes from the border). It is not 100% Ohio at this point, but the future seems to be an Ohio (and maybe east/central Indiana) focus geographically, not Tennessee and Kentucky.

"Ohio-Centric" is different than an Ohio conference. If you include UIndy, the GMAC would have 1/3 of it's members outside of Ohio as well as it's conference HQ. The "rumors" of NDC moving to the GMAC seem to be almost exclusively generated on this message board. Over the course of the last nine years, there have been several posters here saying that they have it on "good authority" that NDC would be moving to the GMAC any day now or that the GMAC had a "standing offer" to NDC for membership any time they wanted to join. Inspite of these message board rumors from folks claiming to be in contact with people in the know from the school and form the conference, it just never seems to happen.

[Uindy18]

Well, unless something changed, the GMAC's offices are in the Indianapolis area. And I'm sure Kentucky Wesleyan and Trevecca Nazarene would have something to say about the GMAC being an "Ohio Conference" and the last time I checked, those two schools weren't in Ohio.

I think the idea of the GMAC as an "Ohio" conference makes sense, and current trends seem to indicate that the GMAC will continue to be Ohio-centric. They added Ashland, and the WV schools are gone. They have been rumored to be adding another Ohio school in NDC. Hillsdale is a Michigan school, but it about as close to Ohio you can be without actually being in Ohio (like 20 minutes from the border). It is not 100% Ohio at this point, but the future seems to be an Ohio (and maybe east/central Indiana) focus geographically, not Tennessee and Kentucky.

[boatcapt]

Well, unless something changed, the GMAC's offices are in the Indianapolis area. And I'm sure Kentucky Wesleyan and Trevecca Nazarene would have something to say about the GMAC being an "Ohio Conference" and the last time I checked, those two schools weren't in Ohio.

Not saying I considered the GMAC to be an "Ohio Conference." What I said was that some have stated that the reason they want their team to move to the GMAC is because it is an Ohio Conference. As you correctly point out, plenty of current members outside of Ohio and the HQ of the conference isn't even in Ohio.

[ctrabs74]

Wouldn't adding UIndy represent an Indinana shift in the GMAC? Posters have stated that the draw for some schools is that the GMAC is an "Ohio Conference." UIndy certainly is not in Ohio.

Well, unless something changed, the GMAC's offices are in the Indianapolis area. And I'm sure Kentucky Wesleyan and Trevecca Nazarene would have something to say about the GMAC being an "Ohio Conference" and the last time I checked, those two schools weren't in Ohio.

[Sec10-A-14]

Wonder if Shepherd is having some buyers remorse now that the PSAC has canceled all winter sports and will probably do the same for fall sports that were rescheduled for the spring? Particularly since, as of right now, the MEC will be playing it's winter sports and playing it's fall sports in the spring?? I would imagine that supporters here about will say they DON'T regret the move, but DAM!!!!

PSAC member Edinboro has posted a 3 game sched MH SRU & Clarion. More ? who knows? I suppose they are working on more games.
They have their WBB PSAC sched listed as 16 games.

[boatcapt]

I wonder how these Covid related shutdowns of sports is effecting conference bottom lines? I don't have a good handle on how DII conferences make their $ but I would presume it is from general and championship tourney sponsorship, member dues, the NCAA directly and from NCAA tourney selection/partisipation among member schools. Since we were last talking about the PSAC and since they have leaders in canceling entire seasons, lets use them...I would imagine that the amount of $'s they would be getting from the sponsors of the PSAC basketball tourney and football Championship game will be zero for 2020-21, they also will not be getting any NCAA $ from playoff partisipation. That would leave the general NCAA conference distribution as well as the conference dues to live on until the conference restarts some sort of sports. The good side is that I guess it really doesn't cost a whole lot to run a conference...pay for the web site, cut the Commissioner to part-time and lay off the rest of the staff.

There has been speculation about schools canceling their sports programs due to Covid but I wonder if conferences might be facing something similar?

[crixus]

Wonder if Shepherd is having some buyers remorse now that the PSAC has canceled all winter sports and will probably do the same for fall sports that were rescheduled for the spring? Particularly since, as of right now, the MEC will be playing it's winter sports and playing it's fall sports in the spring?? I would imagine that supporters here about will say they DON'T regret the move, but DAM!!!!

You make a strong case.

[boatcapt]

Thanks to the addition of Shepherd. ;)

Wonder if Shepherd is having some buyers remorse now that the PSAC has canceled all winter sports and will probably do the same for fall sports that were rescheduled for the spring? Particularly since, as of right now, the MEC will be playing it's winter sports and playing it's fall sports in the spring?? I would imagine that supporters here about will say they DON'T regret the move, but DAM!!!!

[crixus]

I think the PSAC is as solid as can be.

Thanks to the addition of Shepherd. ;)

[boatcapt]

Unless they are reduced to six schools they will be fine. I posted what I did since I doubt that happens.

Same can be said of every SR1 conference. But if any one of them actually did dropped to 6 members, there would be plenty of speculation about the future of the conference!