Pa fall sports expected to start on time.

[jrshooter]

Look, all these doomsday projections are well and good, but everyone might as well face it -- social distancing is going to be an endangered species within a month. Too many people are clamoring for "normal," not a "new normal."

Will it create a second or third spike? Probably. But a large cross-section of the state has been hammering Wolf and Levine for two months over stay-at-home orders. If any of these counties are returned to the red or yellow phase, I believe it's going to be largely ignored.

Don't mistake this for agreement with their stance. I'm just saying that is what is going to happen, and that's going to include 5,000 people in a football stadium.

[Fightingscot82]

Wearing a mask was probably the least restrictive thing after "having" to stay 6 feet apart. I was hoping we'd see mask wearing normalized especially during cold & flu season but you're right. Politics of division gotta divide us.

[WarriorVoice]

In a typical 3 month period in the United States about 8,000 people die in auto accidents. In the 3 month period from March-May of this year over 100,000 people died from COVID-19 in the United States. You do the math.

But the question is whether high schools will be able to play football this year.

Why we're comparing accidental auto deaths with a pandemic virus is beyond me. We dealt with H1N1 just over 10 years ago, and rather successfully considering the numbers. Wearing a mask for protection has become a political divide, and right now, outside of social distancing, wearing a mask is the best defense we have...But you can't tell people anything these days without automatic suspicion and blowback...

[iupgroundhog]

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-inju...odds-of-dying/

In a typical 3 month period in the United States about 8,000 people die in auto accidents. In the 3 month period from March-May of this year over 100,000 people died from COVID-19 in the United States. You do the math.

But the question is whether high schools will be able to play football this year.

[WarriorVoice]

I appreciate your research!

[IUP24]

CIte a source...just once, give us a source and not just an opinion...I suppose you didn't hear about the 5 Alabama players who caught it...

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-inju...odds-of-dying/

[WarriorVoice]

Those players have a better chance of being seriously injured in a bus crash going to the game than catching/spreading a virus.

CIte a source...just once, give us a source and not just an opinion...I suppose you didn't hear about the 5 Alabama players who caught it...

[IUP24]

Yep. Control all you want from 8am to 5pm.

But ...as many of us know ... the goal on a campus after dark isn't to watch X's and O's. It's to party and, well, you know the rest.

So .... how is that controlled? Bus rides are a minor item. Sorority hooches, etc., are a far bigger risk. And, ... boys will be boys.

Tell a football team to stay away from 18-21 year-old co-eds ... better luck curing cancer.

Those players have a better chance of being seriously injured in a bus crash going to the game than catching/spreading a virus.

[WarriorVoice]

I realize that the NFL is not the NCAA, but you'd have to imagine that guidelines for both will be somewhat similar. Here's Ravens Coach John Harbaugh: "What they're asking us to do is humanly impossible"...

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...nes-impossible

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Yep. Control all you want from 8am to 5pm.

But ...as many of us know ... the goal on a campus after dark isn't to watch X's and O's. It's to party and, well, you know the rest.

So .... how is that controlled? Bus rides are a minor item. Sorority hooches, etc., are a far bigger risk. And, ... boys will be boys.

Tell a football team to stay away from 18-21 year-old co-eds ... better luck curing cancer.

[IUP24]

I'm not sure how any of that connects to policymaking or the realities that face decision-makers on every level.

It appears that you're saying that people will circumvent the rules in every situation. That is true but what are the implications (for the PIAA, in this case)?

You're connecting my post with the original policy making post, which wasn't my intent, even though I made a post about policy making. Follow that (lol)?....

My post was directed at IUPBigIndians. IUP CH said what happens if one player gets COVID-19, do you shut the whole team down? IUPBigIndians said that the same logic applies to a chemistry class. You can put in all the measures you want, but college keg parties are not going to be social distanced. So if Johnny was at the Delta house on Saturday night, caught the virus, and then went to class until he became symptomatic, should every person in the class be quarantined? I would say no.

My employer can put into effect all the travel policies that she wants. The state of Ohio is open. I can go to a club or bar tonight if I wanted to, not leave the general area and come down with the virus. I wouldn't have traveled anywhere.

So to your question, make all the regulations and policies you want. It won't matter. You can't control what somebody does or how they act when they aren't in your control. A friend of mine works for a club as a DJ. Their club is taking all sorts of incredible precautions. What do you think the entire staff is doing when they aren't working? They were all out drinking together at another bar last night (club is open Thurs-Sun). So cooks, wait staff, bartenders, etc.. All out doing things that people say will increase your chances of catching the virus. Their employer jumping through every hoop imaginable to remain open made no difference.

[CALUPA69]

You mean the form they put in front of you as they strap down and immobilize every part of your body and an assistant is putting the anesthesia mask on your face and they are saying to you 'Here, sign this.' Ok, I'm exaggerating a little bit but not by too much.

As far as parents signing off on letting their kids play I wonder how well that would hold up in court (or as a class action). When do the lawyers enter the picture?

The problem wouldn't be that the kid caught the virus and got sick. It would be that he or she gave it to Aunt Sally and she died. There's contact tracing, etc. and you better believe the law firms are getting their ducks in order.

Two professions who will clean up as a result of C19 are LAWYERS and UNDERTAKERS. They will never speak it, but the skies the limit if you're up and running.

[iupgroundhog]

We could see a form for parents to sign off on "similar" to that ultimate outcome form you need to sign before an operation under anaesthesia. Having been in that position several times it's always freaky to acknowledge that yes I understand I may not survive this and it won't be the doctor's fault. Your son can play football for HOMETOWN HIGH SCHOOL but if he comes down with COVID-19 don't call us.

You mean the form they put in front of you as they strap down and immobilize every part of your body and an assistant is putting the anesthesia mask on your face and they are saying to you 'Here, sign this.' Ok, I'm exaggerating a little bit but not by too much.

As far as parents signing off on letting their kids play I wonder how well that would hold up in court (or as a class action). When do the lawyers enter the picture?

The problem wouldn't be that the kid caught the virus and got sick. It would be that he or she gave it to Aunt Sally and she died. There's contact tracing, etc. and you better believe the law firms are getting their ducks in order.

[CALUPA69]

I'm not sure how any of that connects to policymaking or the realities that face decision-makers on every level.

It appears that you're saying that people will circumvent the rules in every situation. That is true but what are the implications (for the PIAA, in this case)?

We could see a form for parents to sign off on "similar" to that ultimate outcome form you need to sign before an operation under anaesthesia. Having been in that position several times it's always freaky to acknowledge that yes I understand I may not survive this and it won't be the doctor's fault. Your son can play football for HOMETOWN HIGH SCHOOL but if he comes down with COVID-19 don't call us.

[iupgroundhog]

My employer has set out policies regarding work and personal travel. Certain stipulations regarding what the procedures are for when you come back. If we are taking a week of vacation we have to tell our supervisor what our vacation plans are. There's scenarios where if you take vacation time to go somewhere, you may need to take additional time off to "quarantine" when you come back. That doesn't apply to work travel of course, but if you're voluntarily going into a "hot spot," the expectation is that you aren't coming straight back to the office. Rules are clearly laid out.

I can fly out of Columbus to Las Vegas tomorrow night after work, get there by 10:00 their time, spend the weekend with my friend from college who lives there, and take the red eye home Sunday night and be at work Monday morning. Won't have used a day of vacation and I didn't tell anybody a thing. Who's stopping that?

As you and I continue to say.. Life will go on or it won't. I bet it'll go on.

I'm not sure how any of that connects to policymaking or the realities that face decision-makers on every level.

It appears that you're saying that people will circumvent the rules in every situation. That is true but what are the implications (for the PIAA, in this case)?