OT: College Football Playoff Expansion

[ironmaniup]

Just read one publication that thinks OU QB Spencer Ratliff could make 7 figures this year.

Not a bad gig as a college student.

Things are going to change even more in College Football. Wonder if we'll see Duane Brown doing radio spots for Bruno's

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Things are going to change even more in College Football. Wonder if we'll see Duane Brown doing radio spots for Bruno's

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Joking aside I can't even imagine how this will dirty up recruiting -- as if it's even possible to make any dirtier.

But, I have no problem with it. Those college superstars should get paid what they are worth -- and not be held back by the NCAA pimp.

[Fightingscot82]

I think as long as they're not getting paid to PLAY I'm fine with it. I saw something online that reminded me of something I thought a while ago: a lot of these kids are going to have agents and advisors all over them when they really need an accountant.

[shipfbfan1]

Just read one publication that thinks OU QB Spencer Ratliff could make 7 figures this year.

Not a bad gig as a college student.

Now that's insane that a college football player could earn upwards a million plus bucks just signing autographs, appearing in commercials and podcasts lol.

[shipfbfan1]

I think as long as they're not getting paid to PLAY I'm fine with it. I saw something online that reminded me of something I thought a while ago: a lot of these kids are going to have agents and advisors all over them when they really need an accountant.

Unfortunately many of these kids aren't reading the actual rules, I'm seeing many incoming HS seniors who are committed to play in 2022 at P5 schools post their accepting inquiries for NIL as well as unsigned prep kids who originally were scheduled to graduate in June 2021 but reclassified to c/o 22.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Now that's insane that a college football player could earn upwards a million plus bucks just signing autographs, appearing in commercials and podcasts lol.

It's insane to think about but it's the old saying ... you're worth what somebody is willing to pay you. Think what Trevor Lawrence would have made.

Obviously this is going to be huge for the mega stars.

Where I think it will get shady is, for example, you'll have MEGA DONOR in Columbus who owns five luxury car dealers. They'll start unofficially selling recruits on the payout said dealership can provide them in commercials, etc.

[iupgroundhog]

Things are going to change even more in College Football. Wonder if we'll see Duane Brown doing radio spots for Bruno's

I haven't actually read much about this but I just know how I feel and it bothers me as a fan of college sports.

I think I understand that it's about individual rights and that the Supreme Court considers the NCAA and its member institutions to have monopoly power and the ability to collude to be able to infringe on the athlete's individual rights. College sports have always been amateur to me, even when the school makes $100 million from the team.

I don't think the problem is the ruling itself. I think it is what it may set a precedent for. Somebody mentioned that at least athletes aren't being paid for their performance /participation. However, that will be right around the corner.

How much power and leverage will the athletes themselves be able to garner? Look at the MLBPA and the NFL/NBA player associations. In many ways, I think the players have too much power and I think that will eventually come to college sports.

I think it places the concept of student/athlete in jeopardy.

While I have always loved college sports and it is a part of my life, I have also always seen the inconsistency of having revenue sports affiliated with institutions of higher learning. America is unique in that respect. America will follow the $$ and that's what worries me.

[Fightingscot82]

I haven't actually read much about this but I just know how I feel and it bothers me as a fan of college sports.

I think I understand that it's about individual rights and that the Supreme Court considers the NCAA and its member institutions to have monopoly power and the ability to collude to be able to infringe on the athlete's individual rights. College sports have always been amateur to me, even when the school makes $100 million from the team.

I don't think the problem is the ruling itself. I think it is what it may set a precedent for. Somebody mentioned that at least athletes aren't being paid for their performance /participation. However, that will be right around the corner.

How much power and leverage will the athletes themselves be able to garner? Look at the MLBPA and the NFL/NBA player associations. In many ways, I think the players have too much power and I think that will eventually come to college sports.

I think it places the concept of student/athlete in jeopardy.

While I have always loved college sports and it is a part of my life, I have also always seen the inconsistency of having revenue sports affiliated with institutions of higher learning. America is unique in that respect. America will follow the $$ and that's what worries me.

Well, I think there will be limits. No coach is going to put up with a celebrity attitude or appearance schedule. So maybe that increases the appearance fee for a player while decreasing the number of appearances.

But this absolutely muddies the waters in determining amateur status and recruiting violations. Admittedly I haven't read the ruling for details beyond what is being reported. You think the local car dealer doesn't want the star player driving around in his vehicle? What about mom and dad? Free luxury apartment in exchange for having his likeness in advertisements. Maybe this also allows a school like Northwestern, Boston College, or *cough* Central Florida whose location might offer more lucrative "likeness earning opportunities". You have to wonder though - does this benefit being a big fish in a small pond (Stillwater) or little fish in big pond (Westwood, Los Angeles).

[iupgroundhog]

Well, I think there will be limits. No coach is going to put up with a celebrity attitude or appearance schedule. So maybe that increases the appearance fee for a player while decreasing the number of appearances.

But this absolutely muddies the waters in determining amateur status and recruiting violations. Admittedly I haven't read the ruling for details beyond what is being reported. You think the local car dealer doesn't want the star player driving around in his vehicle? What about mom and dad? Free luxury apartment in exchange for having his likeness in advertisements. Maybe this also allows a school like Northwestern, Boston College, or *cough* Central Florida whose location might offer more lucrative "likeness earning opportunities". You have to wonder though - does this benefit being a big fish in a small pond (Stillwater) or little fish in big pond (Westwood, Los Angeles).

What I'm saying is this is the first step. You say there will be limits. I see the sky being the limit and so do the lawyers for the players. You say a coach won't put up with a celebrity attitude from a player. I say the coaches won't be able to control it. The power will shift to the players collectively.

It makes me think of Michael Jordan who I think was the first athlete billionaire and I'm pretty sure made more money from endorsements than actually playing. You are going to have college athletes with national and international endorsements. How can you argue that he/she is a student at the school when they are bringing in millions? Can you imagine them sitting in a regular college class and participating just like the other college students?

[CALUPA69]

What I'm saying is this is the first step. You say there will be limits. I see the sky being the limit and so do the lawyers for the players. You say a coach won't put up with a celebrity attitude from a player. I say the coaches won't be able to control it. The power will shift to the players collectively.

It makes me think of Michael Jordan who I think was the first athlete billionaire and I'm pretty sure made more money from endorsements than actually playing. You are going to have college athletes with national and international endorsements. How can you argue that he/she is a student at the school when they are bringing in millions? Can you imagine them sitting in a regular college class and participating just like the other college students?

IMO, the market will begin to balance the situation after the next JOHNNY MANZIEL, RYAN LEAF or JAMARCUS RUSSELL gets the money for nothing. Free agents in all sports are still occasionally being way overpaid, but the numbers of BONILLA DEALS, or anything close to them, are trending down. Time will tell.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

IMO, the market will begin to balance the situation after the next JOHNNY MANZIEL, RYAN LEAF or JAMARCUS RUSSELL gets the money for nothing. Free agents in all sports are still occasionally being way overpaid, but the numbers of BONILLA DEALS, or anything close to them, are trending down. Time will tell.

Yeah but Johnny Football's value 'while' at A&M would have been INSANELY high. Russell and Leaf, while college stars, weren't sexy from a marketing view. Johnny Football WAS college football during his tenure. He'd have made millions in this situation.

Plus side is it may keep the stars around longer. Make big money, college chicks, BMOC, etc.

[Fightingscot82]

Yeah but Johnny Football's value 'while' at A&M would have been INSANELY high. Russell and Leaf, while college stars, weren't sexy from a marketing view. Johnny Football WAS college football during his tenure. He'd have made millions in this situation.

Plus side is it may keep the stars around longer. Make big money, college chicks, BMOC, etc.

I can see that happening. Like I said yesterday, makes me wonder if being a big fish in a college town pond is more appealing than being a college football star for a lesser prestige team in a big city. I bet we'll also see FBS transfers drop down divisions at the last second and a lot more grad transfers from D2 to FBS trying to exhaust all opportunities to make some money.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I can see that happening. Like I said yesterday, makes me wonder if being a big fish in a college town pond is more appealing than being a college football star for a lesser prestige team in a big city. I bet we'll also see FBS transfers drop down divisions at the last second and a lot more grad transfers from D2 to FBS trying to exhaust all opportunities to make some money.

The rich are going to get really rich. At a place like Pitt maybe the QB gets a deal with Iron City or something. Pitt rarely has stars. Larry Fitzgerald would have done well. Tyler Boyd. And, that's local type stuff. The big money will be the national level marketing for the big stars of the big teams.

The programs with more mega donors than they can count will certainly use this as a huge recruiting tool.

It's a big change but the ice age NCAA ran out of ways to fight it.

I see Texas hitting a home run here. This may bring them back to the top. They have more money from rich alums to toss around than anybody.

[CALUPA69]

The rich are going to get really rich. At a place like Pitt maybe the QB gets a deal with Iron City or something. Pitt rarely has stars. Larry Fitzgerald would have done well. Tyler Boyd. And, that's local type stuff. The big money will be the national level marketing for the big stars of the big teams.

The programs with more mega donors than they can count will certainly use this as a huge recruiting tool.

It's a big change but the ice age NCAA ran out of ways to fight it.

I see Texas hitting a home run here. This may bring them back to the top. They have more money from rich alums to toss around than anybody.

Texas will be fun to watch. Even though the Longhorns will have an advantage, A&M and TECH also have big $$$ backers so the bidding will probably start at insane.

[Fightingscot82]

The rich are going to get really rich. At a place like Pitt maybe the QB gets a deal with Iron City or something. Pitt rarely has stars. Larry Fitzgerald would have done well. Tyler Boyd. And, that's local type stuff. The big money will be the national level marketing for the big stars of the big teams.

The programs with more mega donors than they can count will certainly use this as a huge recruiting tool.

It's a big change but the ice age NCAA ran out of ways to fight it.

I see Texas hitting a home run here. This may bring them back to the top. They have more money from rich alums to toss around than anybody.

There are so many interesting scenarios here. I'm interested in seeing if lower performing P5 schools or any G5 schools benefit because of their location. Central Florida, FIU, USF, Houston, etc. Can you imagine how this could benefit a place like UNLV? I haven't read the details to see what role the schools are allowed to play in this. Similar to a coach getting supplemental income by way of sponsors, could a school offer a full scholarship plus an income stream from Big Booster who owns a casino?