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Originally posted by Eagle74
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Only thing that has been proven is that the NC Promise Program increased student population. Check the academic impact of higher SAT and ACT scores at ECSU and UNCP (around 100 points), it's very clear and they speak for themselves. Again, that's only one year. Great for them, but it also seems like most of the schools saw increases in GPA and SAT averages.
The program is in year 1, we don't even know the retention rate of this freshmen class yet. We're approaching year 2. Approaching the start of year 2; therefore, an entire calendar year hasn't passed. Also, please provide some links for retention rate. They will be a huge major for the success of the program.
We also haven't even gone through a full political cycle to know what the long term congressional support will look like for this program.
State Representatives on both sides (including a majority of Democrats) of the isle recognize the success of the program, and are now in full support. Now in full support doesn't mean much of anything until the colleges need those reimbursements and we have new elected officials who have to determine if the payment is still worth the investment. Especially if out of state students don't stay in NC after graduation.
You talk so much about enrollment numbers of WSSU and FSU, yet you didn't even mention the fact that UNCA and ECU were the only two schools in the system that saw overall enrollment drops. Maybe those two schools can beg their way into the program before they have to close those schools down........... LOL, ECU is down by 1.4%, and who knows, they may have decided to trim down slightly for increased quality;) Right they are down a whole 1.4%, but you are the same person who previously made some big deal about FSU's current enrollment trends. The enrollment that is actually up over the past decade, was up from 2017, and which only saw a whole 52 student incoming freshman reduction. It's funny how you pick and choose when minimal numbers are important.
Again, as someone who claims not to be an alum of either WSSU or FSU what is your "skin in the game"? I have several close family members and friends that have attended (some are now Bronco Alumni) of FSU, and they openly talk about how they wished they had the opportunity that the NC Promise program presently offers. They also talk (out of pride) about how the school could use additional funding, renovating, and updating. Um I know I already showed you how WSSU was getting over $100 million in new construction. I'm fairly certain FSU has also recently received state funds for new construction and renovations. Maybe your friends and family could give, and/or give more, to these respective schools if there is that much concern.
I'm fairly certain ECSU, UNCP, and WCU offer more than enough opportunities for students looking for reduced tuition. Considering that out of the almost 190,000 undergrad students in the UNC System only roughly 9.34% are enrolled in the "Promise Tuition" schools, it seems like some students have other priorities other than just a slightly reduced tuition. I'm absolutely positive there are thousands of potential upcoming graduates (many underprivileged) in both the Fayetteville and Triad areas which could really benefit by having the program available at their local Universities, just common sense, especially with the reduced number of available Pell Grants Well good thing those people have 3 schools to pick from, and the last I checked UNCP is right around the corner from Fayetteville. And again, for the Triad I didn't exactly see this program promoted for UNCG or A&T.........
At the point ECSU, UNCP, and WCU are having to turn away masses of qualified students then we can revisit this conversation about other schools offering the program. That may happen for UNCP in the very near future unless new additional dorms and classes are quickly completed (885 additional students and transfers in just the past year), also ECSU is now filling dorms that had vacancies in the past. Good for those schools, and WSSU is also practically out of dorm space (hence our need to continue to build dorms). But as small as ECSU had gotten I think they have space to admit more students, and I highly doubt Pembroke is busting at the seems yet. And since you talk about growth, maybe the local economies can be stimulated with the increased building of apartments and residencies...
The program is in year 1, we don't even know the retention rate of this freshmen class yet. We're approaching year 2. Approaching the start of year 2; therefore, an entire calendar year hasn't passed. Also, please provide some links for retention rate. They will be a huge major for the success of the program.
We also haven't even gone through a full political cycle to know what the long term congressional support will look like for this program.
State Representatives on both sides (including a majority of Democrats) of the isle recognize the success of the program, and are now in full support. Now in full support doesn't mean much of anything until the colleges need those reimbursements and we have new elected officials who have to determine if the payment is still worth the investment. Especially if out of state students don't stay in NC after graduation.
You talk so much about enrollment numbers of WSSU and FSU, yet you didn't even mention the fact that UNCA and ECU were the only two schools in the system that saw overall enrollment drops. Maybe those two schools can beg their way into the program before they have to close those schools down........... LOL, ECU is down by 1.4%, and who knows, they may have decided to trim down slightly for increased quality;) Right they are down a whole 1.4%, but you are the same person who previously made some big deal about FSU's current enrollment trends. The enrollment that is actually up over the past decade, was up from 2017, and which only saw a whole 52 student incoming freshman reduction. It's funny how you pick and choose when minimal numbers are important.
Again, as someone who claims not to be an alum of either WSSU or FSU what is your "skin in the game"? I have several close family members and friends that have attended (some are now Bronco Alumni) of FSU, and they openly talk about how they wished they had the opportunity that the NC Promise program presently offers. They also talk (out of pride) about how the school could use additional funding, renovating, and updating. Um I know I already showed you how WSSU was getting over $100 million in new construction. I'm fairly certain FSU has also recently received state funds for new construction and renovations. Maybe your friends and family could give, and/or give more, to these respective schools if there is that much concern.
I'm fairly certain ECSU, UNCP, and WCU offer more than enough opportunities for students looking for reduced tuition. Considering that out of the almost 190,000 undergrad students in the UNC System only roughly 9.34% are enrolled in the "Promise Tuition" schools, it seems like some students have other priorities other than just a slightly reduced tuition. I'm absolutely positive there are thousands of potential upcoming graduates (many underprivileged) in both the Fayetteville and Triad areas which could really benefit by having the program available at their local Universities, just common sense, especially with the reduced number of available Pell Grants Well good thing those people have 3 schools to pick from, and the last I checked UNCP is right around the corner from Fayetteville. And again, for the Triad I didn't exactly see this program promoted for UNCG or A&T.........
At the point ECSU, UNCP, and WCU are having to turn away masses of qualified students then we can revisit this conversation about other schools offering the program. That may happen for UNCP in the very near future unless new additional dorms and classes are quickly completed (885 additional students and transfers in just the past year), also ECSU is now filling dorms that had vacancies in the past. Good for those schools, and WSSU is also practically out of dorm space (hence our need to continue to build dorms). But as small as ECSU had gotten I think they have space to admit more students, and I highly doubt Pembroke is busting at the seems yet. And since you talk about growth, maybe the local economies can be stimulated with the increased building of apartments and residencies...
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