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    Conference expansion has been a hot topic lately around the country as we all know. We are at 8 teams now and have been since UNA left. I would like to hear everyone’s thoughts on what the requirements are to join the GSC football league, if anyone knows if GSC office is actually trying to pursue more football schools, and thoughts on GSC trying to go after schools like Belhaven MS, Birmingham Southern AL, Huntingdon AL, or Methodist Univ NC or others? Also what about offering lower tier FCS to drop down and join us or is that totally unrealistic.

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    Originally posted by UWARTime View Post
    Conference expansion has been a hot topic lately around the country as we all know. We are at 8 teams now and have been since UNA left. I would like to hear everyone’s thoughts on what the requirements are to join the GSC football league, if anyone knows if GSC office is actually trying to pursue more football schools, and thoughts on GSC trying to go after schools like Belhaven MS, Birmingham Southern AL, Huntingdon AL, or Methodist Univ NC or others? Also what about offering lower tier FCS to drop down and join us or is that totally unrealistic.
    I would say the adding an FCS is not impossible, but unlikely. The first school that comes to mind that the GSC could easily consider is Trevecca Nazarene from the GMAC. Based in Nashville, they would be a good fit, and would be immediately competitive for a few sports like Baseball. However, they do not sponsor football. As for football schools, I would imagine the main issue that faces the conference now is that Conference Carolinas is fairly close to being a football conference (I think they need one more), so North Greeneville could be on the way out.

    As for the actual process a school would have to follow, it is pretty simple.

    1. Show initial interest and allow conference commissioner to vet your school
    2. With that initial approval, you formally apply to the conference, and the current membership either votes you in or out.
    ​​​3. Pay your fees and now you are in the conference

    That was simplified, but it is all on the GSC website.

    https://gscsports.org/documents/2018...al.pdf?id=2164

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    • #3
      Thank you for the info and link.

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      • #4
        Conference Carolinas adding football has been a conversation since I've been on this message board lol

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        • #5
          Originally posted by UWARTime View Post
          Conference expansion has been a hot topic lately around the country as we all know. We are at 8 teams now and have been since UNA left. I would like to hear everyone’s thoughts on what the requirements are to join the GSC football league, if anyone knows if GSC office is actually trying to pursue more football schools, and thoughts on GSC trying to go after schools like Belhaven MS, Birmingham Southern AL, Huntingdon AL, or Methodist Univ NC or others? Also what about offering lower tier FCS to drop down and join us or is that totally unrealistic.
          The schools you have listed are all D3. While I think it is possible for a D3 to move up to D2 (see Emory & Henry in the SAC) I don’t think any of those you listed will be willing to move up. I think a mix of existing D2 and NAIA schools makes the most sense but if those Alabama and Mississippi D3s want to move to D2 then good on them. Belhaven used to be NAIA and then they went D3 so maybe they are off the list. BSC moved down from D1 to D3 and I think Huntingdon likes where they are in D3 – so probably a no go with those two. Why add Methodist when they are virtually in the same geographic location as UNCP who is already D2?

          I think targeting current NAIA schools with football makes the most sense. So, for me, Reinhardt (GA), Keiser and Southeastern from FL are probably among the best football teams in the region in NAIA. Maybe Faulkner and Cumberland (TN) just because of their locations (Montgomery, AL and Lebanon, TN respectively). Cumberland has tried to make the move before but failed to do so. So, I would target those schools. Point University (in GA but plays football games in AL) if we’re being desperate. I might would also target any of the Conference Carolinas schools not already affiliated with the SAC (UNCP and Chowan) – but I understand the travel problems that arise with that possibility (Delta State to Chowan is 942 miles) but the same problem exists with Keiser which is just as far away from Delta State as Chowan is, so travel is something to deal with either way.

          I have been saying for a while that I think the GSC and Conference Carolinas should merge for football only. That would give the GSC 12 football schools by adding Erskine, Barton, UNCP, and Chowan. I understand that the West would be significantly better than the East but so is the case with SEC. Unfortunately, I don’t think that will happen. Erskine and Barton would join the SAC if offered and such a merger would likely be the catalyst for that. When Anderson (SC) starts football in 2024 the SAC will have 13 teams with two of those, Erskine, and Barton, being football only members. It makes sense that they would add one more for football. Since UVA-Wise (public university) is in now in the SAC I think they may go after UNCP (currently plays football in Mountain East with all other sports in CC).

          I think adding some more football schools would be good for scheduling but I am not sure it is absolutely necessary at this point.
          Last edited by FormerCrusader#84; 08-07-2022, 06:14 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by FormerCrusader#84 View Post

            The schools you have listed are all D3. While I think it is possible for a D3 to move up to D2 (see Emory & Henry in the SAC) I don’t think any of those you listed will be willing to move up. I think a mix of existing D2 and NAIA schools makes the most sense but if those Alabama and Mississippi D3s want to move to D2 then good on them. Belhaven used to be NAIA and then they went D3 so maybe they are off the list. BSC moved down from D1 to D3 and I think Huntingdon likes where they are in D3 – so probably a no go with those two. Why add Methodist when they are virtually in the same geographic location as UNCP who is already D2?

            I think targeting current NAIA schools with football makes the most sense. So, for me, Reinhardt (GA), Keiser and Southeastern from FL are probably among the best football teams in the region in NAIA. Maybe Faulkner and Cumberland (TN) just because of their locations (Montgomery, AL and Lebanon, TN respectively). Cumberland has tried to make the move before but failed to do so. So, I would target those schools. Point University (in GA but plays football games in AL) if we’re being desperate. I might would also target any of the Conference Carolinas schools not already affiliated with the SAC (UNCP and Chowan) – but I understand the travel problems that arise with that possibility (Delta State to Chowan is 942 miles) but the same problem exists with Keiser which is just as far away from Delta State as Chowan is, so travel is something to deal with either way.

            I have been saying for a while that I think the GSC and Conference Carolinas should merge for football only. That would give the GSC 12 football schools by adding Erskine, Barton, UNCP, and Chowan. I understand that the West would be significantly better than the East but so is the case with SEC. Unfortunately, I don’t think that will happen. Erskine and Barton would join the SAC if offered and such a merger would likely be the catalyst for that. When Anderson (SC) starts football in 2024 the SAC will have 14 teams with two of those, Erskine, and Barton, being football only members. It makes sense that they would add one more for football. Since UVA-Wise (public university) is in now in the SAC I think they may go after UNCP (currently plays football in Mountain East with all other sports in CC).

            I think adding some more football schools would be good for scheduling but I am not sure it is absolutely necessary at this point.
            SAC won't go for Pembroke.

            What is most likely to happen when Anderson joins is the SAC will keep Erskine and let Barton lose. Those 2 are only football members until 2024. I just don't know who an additional team would be IF they added Pembroke and kept BC and Erskine

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            • #7
              The SAC will have an odd number of teams when Anderson starts whether the affiliates are kept or not.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
                The SAC will have an odd number of teams when Anderson starts whether the affiliates are kept or not.
                You are correct, I mistyped. The SAC currently has 12 football playing schools (10 full members and 2 football only members). They will be at 11 in 2024 if they do not renew the football only memberships of Erskine or Barton in 2024. Which wouldn't matter because 11 teams allows for a ten game conference schedule.

                I have edited my original post to reflect this. Thank you for pointing out my error.
                Last edited by FormerCrusader#84; 08-07-2022, 06:30 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
                  The SAC will have an odd number of teams when Anderson starts whether the affiliates are kept or not.
                  They won't have an odd number if 1 of the 2 are kept. Which is the most likely scenario.

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                  • #10
                    I'd suggest adding Erskine as a full member, but none of their sports are in very good shape right now.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by canadarican View Post

                      SAC won't go for Pembroke.

                      What is most likely to happen when Anderson joins is the SAC will keep Erskine and let Barton lose. Those 2 are only football members until 2024. I just don't know who an additional team would be IF they added Pembroke and kept BC and Erskine
                      This has been discussed before, and the feedback I received was that when some (if not most) of the SAC ADs compared the enhanced size of UNCP (over 8,300 students and growing) they thought the smaller sized UVA-Wise (1,900 students) would be a better fit. So, I guess when the SAC looks at potential expansion options these days, size matters.

                      Anderson University would be a potential fit for either the GSC or CC's expansion since they're adding football (and borderline being to large for the SAC).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Eagle74 View Post

                        This has been discussed before, and the feedback I received was that when some (if not most) of the SAC ADs compared the enhanced size of UNCP (over 8,300 students and growing) they thought the smaller sized UVA-Wise (1,900 students) would be a better fit. So, I guess when the SAC looks at potential expansion options these days, size matters.

                        Anderson University would be a potential fit for either the GSC or CC's expansion since they're adding football (and borderline being to large for the SAC).
                        Anderson will be in the SAC for football. They aren't moving to the GSC and the rumor of CC adding football has been nothing but an insubstantial rumor for a decade. Football rules the roost, and that is why it would make no sense for North Greenville to leave the GSC and join a 6 team Conference Carolina's football league that would be the fourth best league in the super region.

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                        • #13
                          I could ask around, but I believe the reasons for Pembroke not being accepted into the SAC years ago was not just because of the size but you are correct that it played a part.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by canadarican View Post
                            I could ask around, but I believe the reasons for Pembroke not being accepted into the SAC years ago was not just because of the size but you are correct that it played a part.
                            Yep, I understand it played a LARGE part.

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                            • #15
                              canadarican QUOTE" the rumor of CC adding football has been nothing but an insubstantial rumor for a decade"

                              Interesting, considering the fact that there was only 1 Conference Carolinas school which had football (NGU) back then, now they're up to 6.

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