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  • #31
    Want to know where a bunch of ok talent is? Check Miaa rosters in Kansas schools Esp Emporia and Pitt . Sometimes moso . Been a huge talent drain.

    Not exactly sure why seosu ECU and swosu struggle in gac. My long-term money is on ok bapt becoming the ok power.

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    • #32
      This is from a website that collects data for T9 purposes, it looks like this information is from Spring/Summer 2019.

      Student Aid Recruiting Expenses
      M W TOT M W TOT
      ATU 1,070,910 740,280 1,811,190 71,041 23,374 94,415
      UAM 824,200 408,928 1,233,128 28,590 10,186 38,776
      ECU 760,179 505,567 1,265,746 36,088 6,688 42,776
      HU 1,974,819 1,245,303 3,220,122 39,791 12,712 52,503
      HSU 1,144,243 670,193 1,814,436 53,312 29,931 83,243
      NWOSU 863,964 582,940 1,446,904 66,515 19,275 85,790
      OKBU 3,122,838 2,695,151 5,817,989 54,770 34,290 89,060
      OBU 1,863,770 660,589 2,524,359 58,176 21,395 79,571
      SOSU 1,166,945 646,515 1,813,460 14,436 6,478 20,914
      SAU 1,099,634 643,968 1,743,602 12,240 16,590 28,830
      SNU 2,404,795 1,477,273 3,882,068 38,466 13,721 52,187
      SWOSU 1,065,388 721,880 1,787,268 32,815 21,839 54,654

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
        This is from a website that collects data for T9 purposes, it looks like this information is from Spring/Summer 2019.

        Student Aid Recruiting Expenses
        M W TOT M W TOT
        ATU 1,070,910 740,280 1,811,190 71,041 23,374 94,415
        UAM 824,200 408,928 1,233,128 28,590 10,186 38,776
        ECU 760,179 505,567 1,265,746 36,088 6,688 42,776
        HU 1,974,819 1,245,303 3,220,122 39,791 12,712 52,503
        HSU 1,144,243 670,193 1,814,436 53,312 29,931 83,243
        NWOSU 863,964 582,940 1,446,904 66,515 19,275 85,790
        OKBU 3,122,838 2,695,151 5,817,989 54,770 34,290 89,060
        OBU 1,863,770 660,589 2,524,359 58,176 21,395 79,571
        SOSU 1,166,945 646,515 1,813,460 14,436 6,478 20,914
        SAU 1,099,634 643,968 1,743,602 12,240 16,590 28,830
        SNU 2,404,795 1,477,273 3,882,068 38,466 13,721 52,187
        SWOSU 1,065,388 721,880 1,787,268 32,815 21,839 54,654
        Dang, it looks like OKBU is spending some money! SAU looks to be getting a good return in their investment per dollar they are spending overall.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Mulerider View Post

          Dang, it looks like OKBU is spending some money! SAU looks to be getting a good return in their investment per dollar they are spending overall.
          On a chart like this, all the private schools have higher costs. There is no state aid, and scholarships are funded through the endowment and fundraising. In our case, OKBU has 550 student-athletes in 22 sports. We sponsor more sports than any other GAC school. It's a far cry from my days as a student there in the 80's, when we ran an NAIA program with 7 sports and no football.

          We're not rolling in money by any stretch of the imagination. But, investment in athletics has helped keep our enrollment stable.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by johnintx View Post

            On a chart like this, all the private schools have higher costs. There is no state aid, and scholarships are funded through the endowment and fundraising. In our case, OKBU has 550 student-athletes in 22 sports. We sponsor more sports than any other GAC school. It's a far cry from my days as a student there in the 80's, when we ran an NAIA program with 7 sports and no football.

            We're not rolling in money by any stretch of the imagination. But, investment in athletics has helped keep our enrollment stable.
            Sounds good to me! Like to see two SBC Colleges in the GAC as well! I couldn't afford to go to one, but like what they are doing!

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            • #36
              It makes sense that Student Aid for the private schools is much higher. The lowest aid for the privates is OBU at 1,863,770 while the highest aid for the publics is SOSU at 1,166,945; about a 700,000 dollar difference. You might be able to compare Recruiting Expenses and how it relates to success on the field.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Mulerider View Post

                Sounds good to me! Like to see two SBC Colleges in the GAC as well! I couldn't afford to go to one, but like what they are doing!
                I went to OKBU, I have a son there now, and many of my friends have kids there. Likewise, I have several friends who sent their kids to Ouachita. I'd like to be able to beat them on the football field one day. :-)

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                • #38
                  Even though Harding’s recruiting budget is not as large as some GAC schools we do benefit from having a wide-spread alumni/donor base helping us recruit good athletes from all over the country.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by OldBison View Post
                    Even though Harding’s recruiting budget is not as large as some GAC schools we do benefit from having a wide-spread alumni/donor base helping us recruit good athletes from all over the country.
                    Your right, I didn't even think about a ratio of Income - Expenses. I would think logically the more expenses you would have, the more income you probably have coming it. Still, with that thought, SAU is getting a pretty good return overall in Athletics. I think the only sport SAU is still not competitive in is Women's Basketball.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
                      This is from a website that collects data for T9 purposes, it looks like this information is from Spring/Summer 2019.
                      Student Aid Recruiting Expenses
                      M W TOT M W TOT
                      ATU 1,070,910 740,280 1,811,190 71,041 23,374 94,415
                      UAM 824,200 408,928 1,233,128 28,590 10,186 38,776
                      ECU 760,179 505,567 1,265,746 36,088 6,688 42,776
                      HU 1,974,819 1,245,303 3,220,122 39,791 12,712 52,503
                      HSU 1,144,243 670,193 1,814,436 53,312 29,931 83,243
                      NWOSU 863,964 582,940 1,446,904 66,515 19,275 85,790
                      OKBU 3,122,838 2,695,151 5,817,989 54,770 34,290 89,060
                      OBU 1,863,770 660,589 2,524,359 58,176 21,395 79,571
                      SOSU 1,166,945 646,515 1,813,460 14,436 6,478 20,914
                      SAU 1,099,634 643,968 1,743,602 12,240 16,590 28,830
                      SNU 2,404,795 1,477,273 3,882,068 38,466 13,721 52,187
                      SWOSU 1,065,388 721,880 1,787,268 32,815 21,839 54,654
                      Keep in mind this what the school reports is part of the athletic budget. This doesn’t include the funds donated from alumni specifically for football recruiting.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by OldBison View Post
                        Keep in mind this what the school reports is part of the athletic budget. This doesn’t include the funds donated from alumni specifically for football recruiting.
                        Correct. The site this table comes from lists only scholarship expenses and recruiting expenses in relation to T9 at all colleges. They do not have any information on any type of income sources including donations. Again, they only track college expenditures and opportunities for women as compared to men.

                        Here is the full sortable Google spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=137472081

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                        • #42
                          Interesting. On the T9 spread sheet what do the terms “pass” and “fail” mean? Does this mean that Harding meets the minimum T9 standards but still fails to provide equal opportunity for female student athletes in some way?

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