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Originally posted by KleShreen View Post
And herein lies the problem. You claim to KNOW all these things, but you do not. Nobody does. They are all unsubstantiated claims that you are treating as facts.
There's *evidence* that even those who never show any symptoms of the sickness and "recover" are suffering long-term damage to their organs. It is not absolute fact. There is evidence of it. My own cousin was diagnosed with COVID in April, spent one night in the hospital because of shortness of breath, and then went home and was fine within two weeks. Then, all of a sudden this past weekend, she spent three nights in the hospital with fluid around her heart and fluid in her lungs as a result of ongoing COVID issues even though she had been clear up until then. She's 25, with zero health issues. I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but it is just annoying to see this "if you're young, you're fine" nonsense, when growing evidence shows that to not be the case as it pertains to your long-term health.
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And herein lies the problem. You claim to KNOW all these things, but you do not. Nobody does. They are all unsubstantiated claims that you are treating as facts.
There's *evidence* that even those who never show any symptoms of the sickness and "recover" are suffering long-term damage to their organs. It is not absolute fact. There is evidence of it. My own cousin was diagnosed with COVID in April, spent one night in the hospital because of shortness of breath, and then went home and was fine within two weeks. Then, all of a sudden this past weekend, she spent three nights in the hospital with fluid around her heart and fluid in her lungs as a result of ongoing COVID issues even though she had been clear up until then. She's 25, with zero health issues. I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but it is just annoying to see this "if you're young, you're fine" nonsense, when growing evidence shows that to not be the case as it pertains to your long-term health.
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Originally posted by Redwing View Post
The cohort for all the data is all over the place. With that being the case, one can slice the data as one sees fit. It's an impossibility to test everyone at the same time, so in your reference, how does one know how many are infected? I won't get into the math, but basic info to get the infectious rate can be questioned since no one knows how many are infected. Plus, those that actually got infected have their own characteristics: age, sex, race, BP, etc. I have a bit of a background in this and what makes something like this so difficult is that there are few if any control groups to determine all these impacts. No doubt, the math CAN be right, but if the raw data is uncontrolled it's garbage in garbage out. I'm not saying people aren't getting infected nor killed by this virus. I am saying the stats coming out are difficult, if not impossible, to come up with unbiased conclusions. And yes, the biases exists everywhere.
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Originally posted by WarriorVoice View Post
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Originally posted by Redwing View Post
Post your opinions all you want, but DO NOT ACCUSE me of sacrificing people. Yes, you touched a nerve. I'm not going to play in the mud with you, but please refrain from such attacks.
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No it isn't. That's what contract tracing is for. The only way these numbers can be off is by being too low because people don't remember everyone they came in contact with.
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Originally posted by Redwing View Post
Kind of could be said for a multitude of illnesses. The unknown part is severity and how easily it is to get. That's been a mystery with so many having an agenda other than establishing rational conclusions.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...e-us-by-state/
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Originally posted by KleShreen View Post
Some of us would rather be proactive and avoid the death toll and damage. Others, like yourself, would rather watch it play out, count up the bodies at the end of the day, and then form your plan after it's all over.
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Originally posted by KleShreen View Post
Some of us would rather be proactive and avoid the death toll and damage. Others, like yourself, would rather watch it play out, count up the bodies at the end of the day, and then form your plan after it's all over.
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Originally posted by Redwing View Post
Kind of could be said for a multitude of illnesses. The unknown part is severity and how easily it is to get. That's been a mystery with so many having an agenda other than establishing rational conclusions.
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Originally posted by WarriorVoice View PostLast edited by Redwing; 07-17-2020, 11:12 PM.
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Folks, it's all on us...If we all wear masks and stay out of crowded places, we can expect the virus to dissipate, but not go away. It's pretty simple, but it's all on us...A vaccine isn't ready yet, so short of that, we have to be the ones to protect ourselves and each other. If we do what we can, then we can move forward and hope for a more normal life. If not, hospitals will become overcrowded, more of our friends and neighbors will die, and our country will be scarred for generations. We should be caring more about the population as a whole than how this is going to affect a group of athletes who might not get to play their sport for a while. I realize that's their main focus as this time in their lives, but the alternative is surely worse. We have sacrificed MUCH more in years past, when REAL wars were fought. It's time for us to make a very small sacrifice in comparison. Wear a mask, it's that simple...
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