The First of Many?

[LSC Fan]

[QUOTE=Techster88;n507353]

The second schools announce an online semester, they'll lose students immediately - and in many cases permanently. If I were a trad student, I'd never pay full price for a semester of Zoom courses. They're just not the same. Especially if I had to take a bunch of "hands-on" courses, science courses with labs and the like. Add in the fee schedule that students are responsible for but can't render services on - and I'd leave school on the spot.

If I were in that situation - I'd consider one of a few options. I'd look to JUCOs for courses, I'd work part-time and study for CLEP tests, or I'd just take an entire gap semester and work full-time to pay down the student loans. If I were a freshman, I would just commit to a full gap year and work or something. No point wasting a year of the experience to sit in my bedroom staring at a computer screen.

LMAO!!! I can see some kid holed up in his/her bedroom putting on 20+ pounds with half empty soda (and Beer) cans, pizza boxes, Chinese take out, potato chip bags scattered all over their bedroom.

In other words, they are going to see how some of us "old" goats spent our college days.

But on subject I hope serious debate continues on all the money spent on infrastructure, administration, and program costs at universities large and small as well as private and public. If one positive comes from this Covid mess, it proves colleges do not need all the money they've accumulated (extorted) from taxpayers,college students and their parents because we can see at least in today's world a simple computer connection is needed to "learn" and complete assignments, and take exams. Let's start the debate with suggesting at least basic courses can all be moved to an online world and I'd include even some intro courses directly tied to a Major. And then reserve the campus for upper level courses where you get into the weeds of your degree program. Yes, exceptions would have to be made for disciplines and courses where hands on is required such as some of the science and medical fields. But again, most degree Majors in those fields won't get into the thick of that stuff until their third or forth years.

[Techster88]

[QUOTE=SW_Mustang;n507254]

The second schools announce an online semester, they'll lose students immediately - and in many cases permanently. If I were a trad student, I'd never pay full price for a semester of Zoom courses. They're just not the same. Especially if I had to take a bunch of "hands-on" courses, science courses with labs and the like. Add in the fee schedule that students are responsible for but can't render services on - and I'd leave school on the spot.

If I were in that situation - I'd consider one of a few options. I'd look to JUCOs for courses, I'd work part-time and study for CLEP tests, or I'd just take an entire gap semester and work full-time to pay down the student loans. If I were a freshman, I would just commit to a full gap year and work or something. No point wasting a year of the experience to sit in my bedroom staring at a computer screen.

[SW_Mustang]

We (faulty and staff) at ASU are making plans to return to on campus for the Fall, but it will be a very different environment. We are scrambling to figure out how to bring about 6,500 kids on to campus from all over the state, country, and world. This is into an area (San Angelo) that so far has been relatively COVID-19 free. The logistics of this are enormous (classroom adjustments to social distancing, labs in the STEM and healthcare classes, feeding in cafeterias, preventing congregation of "invincible" 18 to 22 year olds, all of this coupled with older, at-risk faculty and staff, etc.) and all of this without adequate testing to see where we are and who has what. What do you do when you get positive tests, how can you screen 500 student coming into a building for a 10:00 AM class while controlling entry points?

Just social distancing of classrooms means that instantly classrooms that once held 40 students will be down to 20 or less; requiring a different instruction model, or doubling of cases offered; all with the same finite number of classroom and faculty.

It is mind boggling to think about even a small piece of this, much less the entire operation of the university, not to mention the liability issues involved, both morally and legally. I can understand the thought process of the Cal State System and why they made the decision to stay online for Fall.

While we are making these plans, all of us are fully cognizant of the fact that these plans could be all for nothing and we may be online as well in Fall. As I have read in many places, we are not really making the decision, the virus is making them for us and we are just reacting. But, we would be negligent to not be doing this planning ahead of time.

The second schools announce an online semester, they'll lose students immediately - and in many cases permanently. If I were a trad student, I'd never pay full price for a semester of Zoom courses. They're just not the same. Especially if I had to take a bunch of "hands-on" courses, science courses with labs and the like. Add in the fee schedule that students are responsible for but can't render services on - and I'd leave school on the spot.

If I were in that situation - I'd consider one of a few options. I'd look to JUCOs for courses, I'd work part-time and study for CLEP tests, or I'd just take an entire gap semester and work full-time to pay down the student loans. If I were a freshman, I would just commit to a full gap year and work or something. No point wasting a year of the experience to sit in my bedroom staring at a computer screen.

[texcap]

We (faulty and staff) at ASU are making plans to return to on campus for the Fall, but it will be a very different environment. We are scrambling to figure out how to bring about 6,500 kids on to campus from all over the state, country, and world. This is into an area (San Angelo) that so far has been relatively COVID-19 free. The logistics of this are enormous (classroom adjustments to social distancing, labs in the STEM and healthcare classes, feeding in cafeterias, preventing congregation of "invincible" 18 to 22 year olds, all of this coupled with older, at-risk faculty and staff, etc.) and all of this without adequate testing to see where we are and who has what. What do you do when you get positive tests, how can you screen 500 student coming into a building for a 10:00 AM class while controlling entry points?

Just social distancing of classrooms means that instantly classrooms that once held 40 students will be down to 20 or less; requiring a different instruction model, or doubling of cases offered; all with the same finite number of classroom and faculty.

It is mind boggling to think about even a small piece of this, much less the entire operation of the university, not to mention the liability issues involved, both morally and legally. I can understand the thought process of the Cal State System and why they made the decision to stay online for Fall.

While we are making these plans, all of us are fully cognizant of the fact that these plans could be all for nothing and we may be online as well in Fall. As I have read in many places, we are not really making the decision, the virus is making them for us and we are just reacting. But, we would be negligent to not be doing this planning ahead of time.

[texcap]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...npl?li=BBnb7Kz

Florida Tech drops football program.

As an alum of the school I hate to see it go, but it was a very young program (started in 2012 or 2013), with some success (2 playoff appearances).

[Buffalo/Islander Alum]

Pops where are you getting the one year hiatus info? I keep seeing you post that but my son just graduated from a 6a high school and almost every kid we know is headed somewhere just like every other year?

I thnk some of it depends on if kids are on scholarship or not. One friend of mine her son was going to a junior college but not on scholarship and they no longer had the funds to send him due to being out of work with the COVID 19 stuff. Another friend of mine son had a partial tennis scholarship to St. Edwards here in Austin but they eliminated tennis and he hasnt been able to find another school to offer the same scholarship. Its definitely a different world now in a lot of ways.

[LionFan]

Pops where are you getting the one year hiatus info? I keep seeing you post that but my son just graduated from a 6a high school and almost every kid we know is headed somewhere just like every other year?

[GoBuffsGo]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...G3j?li=BBnb7Kz

Cal State schools will not reopen for the fall semester, leaving Cal State-San Diego, San Jose and Fresno (all of the Mountain West Conference) without football this coming year.

[ASUPops]

Oh it is getting REALLY BAD!! So many students requesting room and board refunds are costing universities tens of millions already. Scores of universities are cutting funding across many departments. Some are cutting many sports, while others are going to either going to completely close or merge.

The "University Bubble" was already going to pop because demographics show there will be much fewer high school students graduating over the next 10 years....hence a major decline in enrollment across the board. And this was BEFORE COVID-19. Now, many students are going to take a 1 year hiatus or look at trade training instead.

As far as DII athletics, more than 30% of public universities and nearly 30% of privates were already running operating deficits. The NCAA said Division II basketball will receive 4.37% of actual revenues, currently projected to be $13.9 million for the division, which is a $30 million decrease from last year. YIKES!

On top of all this, you not only have to worry about the universities surviving, but you have to worry about the college towns surviving as well.

Well, the smoke being blown by AD's, university pres, etc...is clearing away pretty rapidly and folks are seeing what is really happening. If I were employed by a university, I would be looking at other options now.

SAD!

[DIIguru]

Actually the third of many. Urbana and another football playing college have already announced they will be closing their doors next year due to Covid19

[GoBuffsGo]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...npl?li=BBnb7Kz

Florida Tech drops football program.