OT: USC & UCLA Leaving For Big 10

[ctrabs74]

The B1G reportedly expressed little to no interest in Stanford or Cal, Berkeley in this round. That could change depending on where Warshington or Nike Corporation University of Oregon end up.

At a bare minimum, the XII needs to go after UofA, ASU, Colorado and Utah to start. Perhaps down the road either Washington/Oregon or Cal/Stanford end up joining to get the XII to 18.

If the XII really wanted to grow a set and expand to 20 (presuming the XII gets six of the 10 remaining PAC schools), why not target Florida State and Miami? Yes, I know the ACC grant of rights TV bit is a hangup for FSU/UM, but those two schools would at least fill some of the "prestige holes" created when TU-Austin and No U left for the SEC. Barring that, two of the three among Louisville, Pitt or Virginia Tech would at least give West Virginia and Cincinnati closer rivals.

Hell, if the SEC and B1G wanna get to 20 and beyond, the XII needs to be very aggressive in plucking away the PAC or even ACC schools when the time comes.

As for the SEC trying to pluck away a current/future XII member, I think that ship has sailed. I can't help but think they're going to aggressively target ACC schools before going after the XII (again).

[ctrabs74]

I said it in the Off Topic thread on this, but the Pac-12 has lost only 2 members since the Pacific Coast Conference days started in 1915. Those two are both now in the Big Sky and left in the 1950's in Montana and Idaho, although Idaho spent several decades still at the 1-A/FBS level before dropping to the Big Sky. The Pac-12 before this was likely the most stable conference in not losing members adding the Arizona schools in the 1970's and Colorado and Utah in 2010 when there was also a lot of realignment.

Think about it, that is over 60 years before losing a team to another conference and 107 years before a team saw greener grass in another conference to "move up".

That's nothing. The Big Ten Conference has only lost one member since it's founding in 1896: The University of Chicago, which left after the 1946 season and is now D3. Of the current/future members:

1896: [Chicago], Illinois, Michigan*, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin
1899: Indiana, Iowa
1912: Ohio State
1954: Michigan State
1990: Penn State
2011: Nebraska
2014: Maryland, Rutgers
2024: UCLA, USC

* Michigan was voted out of the then "Big Nine Conference" for violating league rules, but reinstated in 1917.

The B1G membership timeline has been a tad more stable than the PAC-12, if you ask me. And that's with no members leaving to move up to another FBS conference.

[Wildcat Khan]

That's nothing. The Big Ten Conference has only lost one member since it's founding in 1896: The University of Chicago, which left after the 1946 season and is now D3. Of the current/future members:

1896: [Chicago], Illinois, Michigan*, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin
1899: Indiana, Iowa
1912: Ohio State
1954: Michigan State
1990: Penn State
2011: Nebraska
2014: Maryland, Rutgers
2024: UCLA, USC

* Michigan was voted out of the then "Big Nine Conference" for violating league rules, but reinstated in 1917.

The B1G membership timeline has been a tad more stable than the PAC-12, if you ask me. And that's with no members leaving to move up to another FBS conference.

I'm sure SEC is probably similar. Big East, Big 12, and ACC not so much.

[ctrabs74]

I'm sure SEC is probably similar. Big East, Big 12, and ACC not so much.

SEC's last members to leave the conference were Georgia Tech (1964) and Tulane (1966). Yes, these two schools were charter members of the SEC when it was formed in 1932 (along with Sewanee: The University of the South which left in 1940 and is now a D3 program).

The remaining 10 charter members: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee and Vanderbilt.
1990 expansion: Arkansas and South Carolina
2012 expansion: Missouri and Texas A&M
2025ish expansion: Oklahoma and Texas-Austin

So, yes, the SEC's stability is similar to the B1Gs, though the SEC has its roots as a breakaway league from the Southern Conference (yes, that SoCon); seven charter members of the ACC (Clemson, Duke, Maryland, UNC Chapel Hill, NC State, South Carolina and Wake Forest) broke away from the SoCon in 1953.

[Herb Street]

[Wildcat Khan]

Pac-12 is a pretty good research conference too. That is why before this they wouldn't even look the direction of Boise State. Washington State was in as a founding member of the conference, so grandfathered into needing to be R1 universities. Oregon State despite what a lot of people say about it is a pretty good engineering school. Even with UCLA and USC leaving the Pac-12 is a great academic conference, especially with Stanford and Cal.

When I went to CWU, I got to see a talk by that year's Nobel Prize winner in Physics give a talk at UW as several from the department went to see it. What surprised us most though was that we could follow the all the theory behind it as undergrads.

[laker]

Lots of "ifs" as to what happens next. Supposedly the BIG is waiting for Notre Dame. Otherwise, Washington and Oregon might be next. If that happens the non-coastal Pac 12 teams could go to the Big Dozen rather than the other way around. OSU and WSU would be screwed.

If the Pac 12 can stay together, I'd see San Diego State to get back into southern California and maybe UNLV instead of Boise who they look down on. And I have no idea why Kansas would go to the Big Priest and be an independent in football. But insanity reigns.

This whole thing is like eating vomit.

[crixus]

[crixus]

Lots of "ifs" as to what happens next. Supposedly the BIG is waiting for Notre Dame. Otherwise, Washington and Oregon might be next. If that happens the non-coastal Pac 12 teams could go to the Big Dozen rather than the other way around. OSU and WSU would be screwed.

If the Pac 12 can stay together, I'd see San Diego State to get back into southern California and maybe UNLV instead of Boise who they look down on. And I have no idea why Kansas would go to the Big Priest and be an independent in football. But insanity reigns.

This whole thing is like eating vomit.

It reminds me of the Proverb...as a dog returns to it's vomit, so fools repeat their folly.

You're right, this whole thing is insanity. The insanity of greed run amuck. Thankfully we have D2 football to keep us grounded.

[Wildcat Khan]

Lots of "ifs" as to what happens next. Supposedly the BIG is waiting for Notre Dame. Otherwise, Washington and Oregon might be next. If that happens the non-coastal Pac 12 teams could go to the Big Dozen rather than the other way around. OSU and WSU would be screwed.

If the Pac 12 can stay together, I'd see San Diego State to get back into southern California and maybe UNLV instead of Boise who they look down on. And I have no idea why Kansas would go to the Big Priest and be an independent in football. But insanity reigns.

This whole thing is like eating vomit.

You should see the Gonzaga forums as there is a real fear of being left behind there and a new division with just power conferences. The other thing to consider, these super conferences kill a lot of power conference opportunities for schools like Gonzaga, San Diego State, Davidson, and Iona to get wins over power conference teams outside of the Thanksgiving tournaments. This will also hurt opportunities for teams like ACU and Tarleton to get their money games, as there will be shorter non-conference schedules in the super conferences. I mean the B1G and Pac-12 already have conference games before January, but guess that won't be a problem soon for the Pac-10(6?).

[Buffalo/Islander Alum]

So much for looking ahead to traditional rose bowl matchups. You will get them weekly in big 10 conference play and maybe in some years you will get the riveting USC vs. Utah rose bowl matchup.

[Wildcat Khan]

So much for looking ahead to traditional rose bowl matchups. You will get them weekly in big 10 conference play and maybe in some years you will get the riveting USC vs. Utah rose bowl matchup.

Well, at least the Rose Bowl stays in the two conferences. How about UCLA vs Cal for a Rose Bowl? Renew that rivalry.

[the tav]

Lots of "ifs" as to what happens next. Supposedly the BIG is waiting for Notre Dame. Otherwise, Washington and Oregon might be next. If that happens the non-coastal Pac 12 teams could go to the Big Dozen rather than the other way around. OSU and WSU would be screwed.

If the Pac 12 can stay together, I'd see San Diego State to get back into southern California and maybe UNLV instead of Boise who they look down on. And I have no idea why Kansas would go to the Big Priest and be an independent in football. But insanity reigns.

This whole thing is like eating vomit.

NCAA has ZERO Leadership the inmates are running the asylum. It's all about media markets in building a conference. Pathetic. Maybe the Pac12 does a merger with the Big12? Maybe Pac12 might need to think outside the box and look at the University of Miami and Florida State. Maybe Texas Tech and Houston. Maybe Army, Air Force, Navy and Notre Dame they all have rivalries with Stanford. Who knows at this point. But it makes me sick what the NCAA has become.

[Herb Street]

[Techster88]

Its being reported that AZ, AZ State, Colorado ( which should have never left the big 12 ) and Utah are to meet with the Big 12 on Tuesday. I could easily see all four bolting to the larger Conference. PAC will have to do what the American Conference did start pulling schools from the lower ranks of D1.