PSAC WEST

[Fightingscot82]

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I get some of that but Gannon and Mercyhurst don't play the gimme games and they are 15 miles away from Edinboro.

If you want to find D2 games you'll find them. You may need to travel but they are out there.

That's a good question to ask. A couple years ago when I asked about the Penn State branches I got an answer something like that.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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I get some of that but Gannon and Mercyhurst don't play the gimme games and they are 15 miles away from Edinboro.

If you want to find D2 games you'll find them. You may need to travel but they are out there.

[Fightingscot82]

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The only thing I don't get is why schedule them if they do nothing for you? The wins, while showing up in your record, don't actually do anything for you. They don't help with the postseason and don't factor in to the selection process. I can see teams in a rebuilding mode scheduling these types of games just to get some wins on the board but that's it. Aside from that, the fans don't want to watch these games.

Gary Edwards used to schedule some of these. There are some real abusers in the PSAC. Slippery Rock keeps playing those Ohio University branches every year -- sometimes twice in the same season. Different viewpoints, I guess. That's why S.O.S. is so important in basketball. Joe scheduling the 'hero' schedules sometimes backfire but those two opening losses against Findlay and Ferris carry more weight than most non-conference wins. There are some teams playing 2-3 of these 'branch' type games this year ... in the same season.

PSU-A can obviously play but the vast majority of these are just blowout city. I don't even think the stats should count for the scoring races.

Because the only thing better than practice is a game and there aren't a whole lot of DII schools willing to travel to a PSAC school for a non-conference game. IUP is the rare exception that they have a department with the resources and prestige to bring in quality DII opponents. Edinboro's options within 75 miles and outside the conference are Lake Erie, Notre Dame, Allegheny, PS Behrend (DIII), Grove City, Westminster, and Thiel. There's also SUNY Fredonia.

As for fans caring, beyond the traditional conference rivalries I don't think the average person cares any more about schools playing Penn State Greater Allegheny versus Waynesburg versus Point Park versus Kutztown as long as IUP wins the game they attend.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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The only thing I don't get is why schedule them if they do nothing for you? The wins, while showing up in your record, don't actually do anything for you. They don't help with the postseason and don't factor in to the selection process. I can see teams in a rebuilding mode scheduling these types of games just to get some wins on the board but that's it. Aside from that, the fans don't want to watch these games.

Gary Edwards used to schedule some of these. There are some real abusers in the PSAC. Slippery Rock keeps playing those Ohio University branches every year -- sometimes twice in the same season. Different viewpoints, I guess. That's why S.O.S. is so important in basketball. Joe scheduling the 'hero' schedules sometimes backfire but those two opening losses against Findlay and Ferris carry more weight than most non-conference wins. There are some teams playing 2-3 of these 'branch' type games this year ... in the same season.

PSU-A can obviously play but the vast majority of these are just blowout city. I don't even think the stats should count for the scoring races.

[Fightingscot82]

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We mock teams scheduling the PSU branches a lot ... usually deservedly so. Penn State-Allegheny is no such cupcake.

PSU-A has now taken Clarion to the final minute and lost to Notre Dame (OH) by 6 points.

Pat Cleary at Edinboro once told me that he considers them something along the lines of 'good games to schedule'. The competition is tough enough and generally more available than DIII schools since most DIII conferences are large enough to allow little room for non-conference play.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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We mock teams scheduling the PSU branches a lot ... usually deservedly so. Penn State-Allegheny is no such cupcake.

PSU-A has now taken Clarion to the final minute and lost to Notre Dame (OH) by 6 points.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Sunday games

Rock over Daemen by 3

Sciences over UPJ by 2

[ctrabs74]

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The Seton Hill game at Salem International yesterday had an announced gate of 35 people.

I'm surprised there are 35 people left in Salem, WV these days...

[Fightingscot82]

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Edinboro with another well coached win, this time against Lake Erie. Cleary and Bess are doing some good stuff up north. I'm excited to see how they look in division games.

Also, a quick plug for the PSAC streaming app. I'm finally able to watch basketball at home. The video quality isn't good and the commentary is the student radio broadcast patched in, but I'll take it. At least they finally added the live score and clock.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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The Seton Hill game at Salem International yesterday had an announced gate of 35 people.

[IUPalum]

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Mercyhurst roughed up by Lake Erie

Ship drops second straight ... at Wilmington (DE). Antonio Kellam three at buzzer went in but waived off ... ref deemed it didn't beat the clock. Lost by two.

Didn't see either of those coming tonight.

YIKES!!! Craziness!!!

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Mercyhurst roughed up by Lake Erie

Ship drops second straight ... at Wilmington (DE). Antonio Kellam three at buzzer went in but waived off ... ref deemed it didn't beat the clock. Lost by two.

Didn't see either of those coming tonight.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Small sample size ... but not a great start for average home attendance

IUP - 823 (4 home games - way down from past years ... this weekend, in particular, drew horribly)

Gannon - 670 (2 home games)

Mercyhurst - 348 (2 home games)

California - 338 (3 home games)

Edinboro - 335 (3 home games)

Slippery Rock - 326 (2 home games)

UPJ - 325 (2 home games)

Seton Hill - 325 (3 home games)

Clarion - 226 (3 home games)

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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PSAC WEST STANDINGS - 11/20/2017

School - PSAC - Overall

Edinboro (3-0, 3-0)

Mercyhurst (2-0, 3-0)

IUP (2-0, 3-3)

California (1-1, 3-2)

Gannon (1-1, 2-2)

UPJ (1-1, 2-2)

Seton Hill (1-1, 2-3)

Slippery Rock (0-2, 2-2)

Clarion (0-2, 2-3)


WEST Stat leaders

Team scoring:

Clarion - 88 ppg
Cal - 87.2 ppg
Edinboro - 86.3 ppg

Team Defense:

Mercyhurst - 52.3 ppg
Gannon - 62.5 ppg
SRU - 73.8 ppg

Individual scoring:

Anthony Coleman (Boro) - 22.3 ppg
Isaac Vescovi (UPJ) - 22.0 ppg
Terry Davis Jr. (Cal) - 21.4 ppg

Rebounds:

Cobo Diaz (IUP) - 10.5 rpg
Evan Phoenix (GU) - 10.0 rpg
Jahmere Howze (Cal) - 9.8 rpg

[Fightingscot82]

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I watched both Edinboro games using the new PSAC app. Two cameras with the radio broadcast piped in. Ugh.

Millersville is a tough physical team. The Ship upset is nice.

Edinboro is young as a unit but they play well. I think if they can stay healthy Pat Cleary and assistant Chris Bess will finally have an opportunity to see some fruit from their recruiting work.