Performance Indicators 2016-17

[EagleWhip]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

I have been watching Wesleyan for 53 years and I know enough basketball to be sure of one thing. USI, Bellarmine and Ferris State coaching staffs don't want to see us as a 8 seed. That you can be sure of.

I hope that you didn't take offense with my post as I meant it to be positive towards KWC. I do though believe that if they don't win the GMAC tourney, that they leave themselves open to being left out of the tourney due to their weak SOS. I fully expect them to win will enjoy watching them play if they do.

[Wesleyan62]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

I hope that you didn't take offense with my post as I meant it to be positive towards KWC. I do though believe that if they don't win the GMAC tourney, that they leave themselves open to being left out of the tourney due to their weak SOS. I fully expect them to win will enjoy watching them play if they do.

I did not. I am just stating a perspective that I know is going on in talks around the basketball offices of the current favorites to host.

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Feb 23 in Knight's Hall is beginning to loom very large.

Larger and larger with every game...Right now, BU and USI are tied for first, but BU owns the first two tiebreakers over USI with head-to-head and divisional record. At the moment, it actually helps BU that they lost to a West team instead of an East team.

If both teams are still tied at the end of the season (very possible at this point), then you can bet USI brings their "A" game - first to avenge the loss that the Knights handed them and second to break that tie.

Indianapolis will be a huge factor this week. I think that they will give both USI and BU some fits, but they should both come away with a road win - enough to turn it into a 3-dog race to the finish along with UWP.

I still haven't seen any update for when the McKendree/Jewell game will be made up. Not that anybody cares, as both teams are currently dead last in each division.

[Tyler Madsen]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Huge week for Drury on the West side as well, as losses at both Truman and Quincy would put DU (likely) three games back of Truman in the division with just seven games to go (with a road trip at USI and BU ahead the following weekend). The other thing DU has going for it is the GLVC tiebreaker, where only a road win is counted in a head-to-head should the teams in question only meet once during the regular season. Winning at one, or both, would be huge in DU's quest to repeat as division champ because then not even a tie would help TSU or QU later this season.

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

4	Southern Indiana	Midwest	GLVC	17-1	94.44%	16.50	46.15%	50.71%
7	Bellarmine	Midwest	GLVC	15-3	83.33%	16.33	51.44%	51.58%
15	Ferris State	Midwest	GLIAC	16-3	84.21%	15.63	46.21%	51.28%
23	Truman State	Midwest	GLVC	13-4	76.47%	15.35	51.08%	47.93%
32	Kentucky Wesleyan	Midwest	GMAC	16-2	88.89%	15.00	41.37%	51.58%
36	Wisconsin-Parkside	Midwest	GLVC	12-3	80.00%	14.87	47.22%	50.93%
45	Findlay	Midwest	GLIAC	13-4	76.47%	14.35	45.84%	52.06%
47	Quincy	Midwest	GLVC	13-4	76.47%	14.29	44.51%	51.39%
71	Lake Superior State	Midwest	GLIAC	9-6	60.00%	13.67	54.71%	50.57%
81	Wayne State (Mich.)	Midwest	GLIAC	10-6	62.50%	13.31	51.75%	49.96%
87	Drury	Midwest	GLVC	10-5	66.67%	13.20	47.72%	50.27%
87	Ashland	Midwest	GLIAC	9-6	60.00%	13.20	53.07%	51.02%
92	Michigan Tech	Midwest	GLIAC	11-8	57.89%	13.16	54.30%	50.09%
96	Ohio Dominican	Midwest	GLIAC	10-7	58.82%	13.00	52.48%	49.51%
101	Walsh	Midwest	GLIAC	12-6	66.67%	12.83	42.46%	52.12%
105	Saginaw Valley State	Midwest	GLIAC	10-7	58.82%	12.71	50.68%	50.91%
112	Rockhurst	Midwest	GLVC	9-7	56.25%	12.56	53.39%	49.99%
116	Grand Valley State	Midwest	GLIAC	9-7	56.25%	12.50	49.84%	51.36%
127	Lewis	Midwest	GLVC	11-8	57.89%	12.16	49.09%	50.15%
151	Hillsdale	Midwest	GLIAC	9-10	47.37%	11.74	51.19%	50.47%
152	Indianapolis	Midwest	GLVC	9-8	52.94%	11.71	46.46%	51.66%
175	Missouri-St. Louis	Midwest	GLVC	7-10	41.18%	11.18	52.21%	47.91%
194	Davis & Elkins	Midwest	GMAC	8-10	44.44%	10.61	47.80%	50.20%
196	Alderson Broaddus	Midwest	GMAC	8-9	47.06%	10.59	43.68%	50.77%
196	Northern Michigan	Midwest	GLIAC	6-11	35.29%	10.59	56.00%	50.13%
210	Missouri S&T	Midwest	GLVC	5-9	35.71%	10.29	52.77%	48.43%
216	Saint Joseph's	Midwest	GLVC	7-10	41.18%	10.06	44.01%	50.43%
233	Tiffin	Midwest	GLIAC	4-11	26.67%	9.67	55.96%	50.26%
241	Cedarville	Midwest	GMAC	6-11	35.29%	9.47	47.30%	47.20%
246	Malone	Midwest	GMAC	5-9	35.71%	9.29	44.50%	47.35%
248	Oakland City	Midwest	IND	1-3	25.00%	9.25	57.69%	41.69%
255	William Jewell	Midwest	GLVC	4-11	26.67%	8.93	47.23%	51.11%
258	Illinois Springfield	Midwest	GLVC	2-12	14.29%	8.79	61.66%	48.18%
268	Northwood	Midwest	GLIAC	3-17	15.00%	8.55	57.13%	49.58%
269	McKendree	Midwest	GLVC	3-10	23.08%	8.54	51.34%	48.55%
281	Trevecca Nazarene	Midwest	GMAC	5-14	26.32%	8.11	45.16%	49.57%
283	Lake Erie	Midwest	GLIAC	3-18	14.29%	8.00	54.13%	49.70%
297	Maryville	Midwest	GLVC	2-14	12.50%	7.44	48.50%	48.29%
303	Ohio Valley	Midwest	GMAC	0-15	0.00%	6.53	58.18%	45.57%
307	Salem International	Midwest	IND	1-18	5.26%	6.00	50.39%	46.48%

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

BU sneaks into the top position in the Midwest after USI's fall at UIndy.

7	Bellarmine	Midwest	GLVC	16-3	84.21%	16.21	51.35%	50.77%
12	Southern Indiana	Midwest	GLVC	17-2	89.47%	15.89	46.93%	50.39%
14	Ferris State	Midwest	GLIAC	17-3	85.00%	15.85	46.75%	51.19%
26	Kentucky Wesleyan	Midwest	GMAC	17-2	89.47%	15.16	41.10%	51.06%
38	Wisconsin-Parkside	Midwest	GLVC	13-3	81.25%	14.69	45.17%	51.61%
40	Truman State	Midwest	GLVC	13-5	72.22%	14.67	50.60%	48.46%
47	Quincy	Midwest	GLVC	14-4	77.78%	14.33	46.38%	51.06%
53	Findlay	Midwest	GLIAC	13-5	72.22%	14.17	46.86%	52.04%
65	Wayne State (Mich.)	Midwest	GLIAC	11-6	64.71%	13.76	52.42%	50.36%
68	Ashland	Midwest	GLIAC	10-6	62.50%	13.69	53.94%	50.79%
90	Lake Superior State	Midwest	GLIAC	9-7	56.25%	13.13	55.03%	50.97%
96	Michigan Tech	Midwest	GLIAC	11-9	55.00%	12.95	55.55%	49.83%
100	Drury	Midwest	GLVC	10-6	62.50%	12.88	50.00%	49.72%
102	Grand Valley State	Midwest	GLIAC	10-7	58.82%	12.76	48.68%	51.74%
107	Ohio Dominican	Midwest	GLIAC	10-8	55.56%	12.56	51.84%	49.88%
111	Walsh	Midwest	GLIAC	12-7	63.16%	12.47	42.35%	51.89%
118	Indianapolis	Midwest	GLVC	10-8	55.56%	12.39	48.69%	51.69%
123	Lewis	Midwest	GLVC	12-8	60.00%	12.30	47.20%	51.04%
127	Rockhurst	Midwest	GLVC	10-7	58.82%	12.18	50.45%	50.44%
131	Saginaw Valley State	Midwest	GLIAC	10-8	55.56%	12.11	48.60%	51.40%
138	Hillsdale	Midwest	GLIAC	10-10	50.00%	11.90	51.59%	50.60%
181	Alderson Broaddus	Midwest	GMAC	9-9	50.00%	10.94	44.18%	50.18%
183	Missouri S&T	Midwest	GLVC	6-9	40.00%	10.93	54.28%	48.68%
200	Davis & Elkins	Midwest	GMAC	8-11	42.11%	10.53	47.87%	49.51%
201	Tiffin	Midwest	GLIAC	5-11	31.25%	10.50	56.26%	49.91%
201	Missouri-St. Louis	Midwest	GLVC	7-11	38.89%	10.50	51.42%	48.36%
204	Northern Michigan	Midwest	GLIAC	6-12	33.33%	10.33	55.82%	50.23%
217	Saint Joseph's	Midwest	GLVC	7-11	38.89%	10.00	46.14%	50.44%
224	Malone	Midwest	GMAC	6-9	40.00%	9.87	42.76%	46.82%
239	Cedarville	Midwest	GMAC	7-11	38.89%	9.56	44.53%	48.07%
246	Oakland City	Midwest	IND	1-3	25.00%	9.25	57.51%	41.80%
251	Northwood	Midwest	GLIAC	4-17	19.05%	9.00	57.30%	49.66%
256	William Jewell	Midwest	GLVC	5-11	31.25%	8.94	46.73%	51.39%
268	McKendree	Midwest	GLVC	3-11	21.43%	8.50	52.84%	48.79%
277	Illinois Springfield	Midwest	GLVC	2-13	13.33%	8.33	61.13%	48.37%
282	Lake Erie	Midwest	GLIAC	3-18	14.29%	8.00	54.09%	49.81%
283	Trevecca Nazarene	Midwest	GMAC	5-15	25.00%	7.95	46.90%	48.96%
300	Maryville	Midwest	GLVC	2-15	11.76%	7.12	49.60%	48.74%
304	Ohio Valley	Midwest	GMAC	0-16	0.00%	6.69	56.77%	45.68%
305	Salem International	Midwest	IND	1-18	5.26%	6.47	50.73%	46.82%

[KnightStalker]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Big game tonight with Ferris playing at Grand Valley. Its the last true road test for Ferris so their last chance to pick up some PI points. There is Wayne St. too but they are slipping fast. Also the best chance to hang a loss on them for the rest of the season. BU and USI could use a little breathing room with a Ferris loss.

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Big game tonight with Ferris playing at Grand Valley. Its the last true road test for Ferris so their last chance to pick up some PI points. There is Wayne St. too but they are slipping fast. Also the best chance to hang a loss on them for the rest of the season. BU and USI could use a little breathing room with a Ferris loss.

Ferris barely squeaked out of Michigan Tech on Sat. 77-76 final. Findlay just can't seem to get rolling...every time they start to receive votes in the poll they've dropped a game.

[Knightmoves]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

I think that everyone in the GLVC can get behind GVSU tonight. Right now there is a real chance that we could all be going to Ferris for the tournament. Honestly, if I were seeding the tournament right now, Ferris would probably get the #1 seed. That is partly based on their victory over BU last season, which may not be a proper consideration.

[KnightStalker]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

I think that everyone in the GLVC can get behind GVSU tonight. Right now there is a real chance that we could all be going to Ferris for the tournament. Honestly, if I were seeding the tournament right now, Ferris would probably get the #1 seed. That is partly based on their victory over BU last season, which may not be a proper consideration.

I'm not sure that would be proper. I think the rankings would be about the same as the PI right now. BU has a few bigger wins than Ferris which would just be enough to give them the edge. Looking at common opponents, BU and Ferris have wins over Quincy and Lewis, but Ferris lost to Parkside at home while BU won at home. Ferris beat SVSU on the road (and will probably beat them again at home) while BU lost to SVSU at a neutral site (albeit 20 miles from SVSU.) The common opponents is pretty much a wash then except Ferris has the mortal sin of losing at home to Parkside. Ferris also lost to Findlay at home. BU has defended their home turf. BU's three losses were to slightly stronger teams than Ferris' 3 losses. Right now I think BU's wins over Huntsville and USI are the difference and gives BU the slight edge.

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Going into tonight's games - Ferris has pulled ahead of USI, but not by much. It's still a 4-horse race to the top, IMO.

6	Bellarmine	Midwest	GLVC	16-3	84.21%	16.21	51.29%	50.63%
10	Ferris State	Midwest	GLIAC	18-3	85.71%	16.05	47.18%	51.03%
14	Southern Indiana	Midwest	GLVC	17-2	89.47%	15.89	47.14%	50.26%
24	Kentucky Wesleyan	Midwest	GMAC	17-2	89.47%	15.16	40.94%	50.81%
37	Wisconsin-Parkside	Midwest	GLVC	13-3	81.25%	14.69	45.18%	51.52%
38	Truman State	Midwest	GLVC	13-5	72.22%	14.67	50.44%	48.48%
46	Findlay	Midwest	GLIAC	14-5	73.68%	14.37	47.53%	51.53%
47	Quincy	Midwest	GLVC	14-4	77.78%	14.33	46.08%	51.22%
60	Ashland	Midwest	GLIAC	11-6	64.71%	13.88	52.25%	51.16%
73	Wayne State (Mich.)	Midwest	GLIAC	11-7	61.11%	13.44	52.72%	50.06%
90	Michigan Tech	Midwest	GLIAC	12-9	57.14%	13.14	54.29%	50.11%
92	Lake Superior State	Midwest	GLIAC	10-7	58.82%	13.06	52.64%	51.46%
100	Drury	Midwest	GLVC	10-6	62.50%	12.69	49.87%	49.70%
106	Grand Valley State	Midwest	GLIAC	10-8	55.56%	12.56	50.75%	51.30%
115	Saginaw Valley State	Midwest	GLIAC	11-8	57.89%	12.42	49.11%	51.36%
117	Rockhurst	Midwest	GLVC	10-7	58.82%	12.35	50.57%	50.42%
118	Lewis	Midwest	GLVC	12-8	60.00%	12.30	47.14%	51.07%
120	Walsh	Midwest	GLIAC	12-8	60.00%	12.25	43.78%	51.40%
122	Indianapolis	Midwest	GLVC	10-8	55.56%	12.22	49.00%	51.38%
135	Hillsdale	Midwest	GLIAC	10-10	50.00%	11.90	51.58%	50.43%
138	Ohio Dominican	Midwest	GLIAC	10-9	52.63%	11.89	50.06%	50.15%
175	Alderson Broaddus	Midwest	GMAC	10-9	52.63%	11.00	42.18%	50.17%
181	Missouri S&T	Midwest	GLVC	6-9	40.00%	10.93	54.13%	48.65%
197	Davis & Elkins	Midwest	GMAC	8-11	42.11%	10.53	47.85%	49.25%
198	Missouri-St. Louis	Midwest	GLVC	7-11	38.89%	10.50	51.28%	48.52%
210	Tiffin	Midwest	GLIAC	5-12	29.41%	10.24	56.77%	49.89%
216	Northern Michigan	Midwest	GLIAC	6-13	31.58%	10.11	55.76%	50.44%
219	Saint Joseph's	Midwest	GLVC	7-11	38.89%	10.00	46.04%	50.42%
226	Malone	Midwest	GMAC	6-9	40.00%	9.87	42.39%	46.85%
237	Cedarville	Midwest	GMAC	7-11	38.89%	9.56	44.66%	48.13%
247	Oakland City	Midwest	IND	1-3	25.00%	9.25	57.21%	41.90%
255	Northwood	Midwest	GLIAC	4-18	18.18%	8.95	57.05%	49.77%
261	William Jewell	Midwest	GLVC	5-11	31.25%	8.75	46.49%	51.44%
268	Lake Erie	Midwest	GLIAC	4-18	18.18%	8.55	54.17%	49.72%
270	McKendree	Midwest	GLVC	3-11	21.43%	8.50	52.82%	48.91%
276	Illinois Springfield	Midwest	GLVC	2-13	13.33%	8.33	60.91%	48.30%
283	Trevecca Nazarene	Midwest	GMAC	5-15	25.00%	7.95	47.29%	48.85%
299	Maryville	Midwest	GLVC	2-15	11.76%	7.12	49.60%	48.77%
304	Ohio Valley	Midwest	GMAC	0-16	0.00%	6.69	56.92%	45.74%
306	Salem International	Midwest	IND	1-19	5.00%	6.45	51.82%	46.14%

[Knightmoves]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

4 horse race to the top may be accurate. The more important question for many teams is how many horses are in the race to the 8th spot. Its interesting that the GLVC has five of the top eight spots right now, but the GLIAC completely dominates 9-14, with Drury being the only GLVC rep in that range. This means that it is entirely plausable that the GLIAC will end up with a majority of teams in the tournament if things go badly for the "ranked" teams in the GLVC. Of course the reason this is not real likely is that those GLIAC teams have to play each other, so somebody has to take the losses. The way it has gone thus far, its likely that those losses will be spread fairly evenly among the GLIAC contenders.

Right now there are only 5 teams in the 75% threshold for wins. This means that there are only a few opportunities for contending teams to get that big road win over a 75% team. If Drury could go on a two game win streak this weekend, they would probably vault into the top eight (although I haven't done the math). USI should also have the opportunity in the last game of the regular season. If they win out, the win over Bellarmine would likely spring them into first.

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

3	Bellarmine	Midwest	GLVC	17-3	85.00%	16.45	51.69%	50.81%
8	Ferris State	Midwest	GLIAC	19-3	86.36%	16.14	47.97%	50.85%
10	Southern Indiana	Midwest	GLVC	18-2	90.00%	16.00	46.78%	50.57%
26	Kentucky Wesleyan	Midwest	GMAC	18-2	90.00%	15.10	40.93%	50.45%
42	Quincy	Midwest	GLVC	15-4	78.95%	14.53	45.74%	50.86%
44	Wisconsin-Parkside	Midwest	GLVC	13-4	76.47%	14.47	46.39%	51.27%
46	Truman State	Midwest	GLVC	13-6	68.42%	14.37	51.34%	48.46%
49	Findlay	Midwest	GLIAC	15-5	75.00%	14.25	47.57%	51.63%
65	Wayne State (Mich.)	Midwest	GLIAC	12-7	63.16%	13.68	52.57%	50.09%
71	Ashland	Midwest	GLIAC	11-7	61.11%	13.56	52.74%	51.11%
88	Michigan Tech	Midwest	GLIAC	13-9	59.09%	13.18	52.40%	50.54%
89	Lake Superior State	Midwest	GLIAC	11-7	61.11%	13.17	51.29%	51.83%
94	Rockhurst	Midwest	GLVC	11-7	61.11%	13.00	51.50%	50.07%
108	Indianapolis	Midwest	GLVC	11-8	57.89%	12.63	49.64%	51.27%
111	Drury	Midwest	GLVC	10-7	58.82%	12.59	51.88%	49.74%
113	Lewis	Midwest	GLVC	13-8	61.90%	12.52	46.19%	50.96%
118	Saginaw Valley State	Midwest	GLIAC	11-9	55.00%	12.35	51.43%	51.15%
120	Grand Valley State	Midwest	GLIAC	10-9	52.63%	12.32	51.76%	51.16%
122	Walsh	Midwest	GLIAC	12-8	60.00%	12.25	44.26%	51.60%
124	Ohio Dominican	Midwest	GLIAC	11-9	55.00%	12.20	50.24%	50.58%
133	Hillsdale	Midwest	GLIAC	10-11	47.62%	12.00	53.17%	50.34%
172	Missouri S&T	Midwest	GLVC	6-10	37.50%	11.13	55.93%	48.81%
187	Missouri-St. Louis	Midwest	GLVC	8-11	42.11%	10.68	48.40%	49.59%
196	Alderson Broaddus	Midwest	GMAC	10-10	50.00%	10.55	40.92%	50.41%
201	Tiffin	Midwest	GLIAC	6-12	33.33%	10.44	54.29%	50.16%
213	Davis & Elkins	Midwest	GMAC	8-12	40.00%	10.25	47.79%	48.96%
214	Saint Joseph's	Midwest	GLVC	7-12	36.84%	10.21	47.96%	50.10%
221	Northern Michigan	Midwest	GLIAC	6-14	30.00%	10.00	55.95%	50.50%
221	Cedarville	Midwest	GMAC	8-11	42.11%	10.00	44.22%	48.25%
237	Malone	Midwest	GMAC	6-10	37.50%	9.63	45.62%	46.48%
255	Northwood	Midwest	GLIAC	4-19	17.39%	8.83	57.12%	50.06%
259	McKendree	Midwest	GLVC	4-11	26.67%	8.73	49.68%	49.35%
265	William Jewell	Midwest	GLVC	5-12	29.41%	8.59	47.12%	51.05%
268	Trevecca Nazarene	Midwest	GMAC	5-15	25.00%	8.55	47.84%	48.29%
269	Oakland City	Midwest	IND	1-3	25.00%	8.50	57.08%	43.42%
274	Illinois Springfield	Midwest	GLVC	2-14	12.50%	8.38	59.96%	48.42%
277	Lake Erie	Midwest	GLIAC	4-19	17.39%	8.30	53.43%	50.11%
298	Ohio Valley	Midwest	GMAC	1-16	5.88%	7.18	56.11%	45.97%
303	Maryville	Midwest	GLVC	2-16	11.11%	7.00	48.01%	49.05%
305	Salem International	Midwest	IND	1-19	5.00%	6.60	51.94%	45.95%

[Knightmoves]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Not a new revelation, but watch out for Indy. Up five spots with the win last night. I think they are going to make the NCAA, maybe without winning the conf tournament. With games against Quincy, Lewis, Rockhurst and Parkside still remaining they would appear to have the opportunity to make the cut. Of course, they are going to have to win those games.

[kwcpantherfan]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Not a new revelation, but watch out for Indy. Up five spots with the win last night. I think they are going to make the NCAA, maybe without winning the conf tournament. With games against Quincy, Lewis, and Parkside still remaining they would appear to have the opportunity to make the cut. Of course, they are going to have to win those games.

I was thinking the same thing. Not a pleasant prospect for the top seed if Indy lands in at #8. Actually the way they are playing now, assuming they make the field, they're going to be extremely dangerous no matter what seed they get. Question is whether it's too little too late.