G-MAC All-Sports and Conference Business Thread

[UFSwimDad]

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After taking a few days to really digest the map, my observations are...

In order to satisfy both TVN and KWC, the GMAC will have to really pursue schools such as College of the Cumberlnds, Cumberland University and Lindsey Wilson. Perhaps maybe Asbury and Georgetown. I have no evidence that these are the schools on the radar as it has been stated that LW may not be interested and there have been no indication that either Cumberland U or Asbury are willing to start the D2 process again. I could throw Bellermine in here but with out football, i think it's a long shot unless both UINDY and Bellermine decide that the GLVC is expanding away from them. Maybe they have had talks, maybe not but both seem long shots to me.

Adding a WV school doesn't seem to help them at all. It would be great for AB and D&E if Wesleyan came aboard but it doesn't really do much for TVN and KWC. If the league genuinely wants to keep them both in he league then only one WV school could ever be considered and they would have to be paired with he aforementioned Kentucky schools.

I feel like Tiffin is in already. To much is out there to not think that. So basically we are talking about just three schools that prob should be within a three radius or so for KWU and TVN.

Admittedly I would love Tiffin and three other schools that sponsor both men's and women's swimming but obviously that really isn't imperative to league expansion.

Sorry, just some ramblings form a guy with not much to do before 5 PM 😁

[Wabbott9]

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Yeah, they are real close. The two staffs (G-MAC and GLVC) even did a joint Christmas party this year. I don't see Daeger and company initiating talks with UIndy. Now if UIndy has decided on its own to explore, then I guess that's different.

I actually emailed UIndy AD Sue Willey expressing my concern with the current situation, and her reply indicated that they're doing a regular assessment of such things anyway. So it's actually sort of happening anyway, maybe. Doesn't mean that anything active will happen.

[BlueBlood]

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Which, now that I think about it, how weird is it for BOTH conferences to have their HQs in Indy? It's the extreme Eastern edge of the GLVC, which continues to expand West, and for the G-MAC it's on the Western (Northwestern) edge of the conference and resides in a state that doesn't even have any members in the league. Pretty strange, if you ask me.

Remember that Daeger came from the GLVC, so he was already in Indy. At the time it happened, I doubt the G-MAC had the money required to entice him to move to a city inside the footprint. Plus, yes - having NCAA headquarters there is a plus.

[BlueBlood]

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I don't disagree that adding Indy would make sense for various reasons, however don't assign too much importance to the conference HQ being in Indy. GLVC HQ is also there. In fact, my understanding is the two offices are almost right next to each other, like literally on the same block.

Yeah, they are real close. The two staffs (G-MAC and GLVC) even did a joint Christmas party this year. I don't see Daeger and company initiating talks with UIndy. Now if UIndy has decided on its own to explore, then I guess that's different.

[Wabbott9]

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Likely it has more to do with the NCAA having their HQ there than anything else.

[kwcpantherfan]

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I don't disagree that adding Indy would make sense for various reasons, however don't assign too much importance to the conference HQ being in Indy. GLVC HQ is also there. In fact, my understanding is the two offices are almost right next to each other, like literally on the same block.

Which, now that I think about it, how weird is it for BOTH conferences to have their HQs in Indy? It's the extreme Eastern edge of the GLVC, which continues to expand West, and for the G-MAC it's on the Western (Northwestern) edge of the conference and resides in a state that doesn't even have any members in the league. Pretty strange, if you ask me.

[kwcpantherfan]

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I don't disagree that adding Indy would make sense for various reasons, however don't assign too much importance to the conference HQ being in Indy. GLVC HQ is also there. In fact, my understanding is the two offices are almost right next to each other, like literally on the same block.

[ABjo]

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The was I see it, the fate of TVN and KWC rests with getting 1) an NAIA school such as LW or C of C. I keep saying LE because of an article I found that I will post. I am sure you all have already read it since I am late to this game 2) Getting Bellermine and one of the afore mentioned schools.

I have to believe that with UINDY in our conference HQs backyard, there has had to be some sort of discussion. It just makes sense. I just do not think it would be satisfactory to TVN. I would also throw Marian in here because it makes sense, but that is pure fan speculation on my part. Same for IINDY.

Like it has be said a few times, they have to add more football only schools because at the end of the day, that's what it's about.

I have this feeling that with the HQ in Indy, and the influx of OH schools, expansion may very well end up being more Midwest based than south. But again, I am late to this game and you all have more insight than I do.

Here is that link to the article

http://battlerbeat.blogspot.com/2015...17-as.html?m=1

:) That article was written by our very own JDon! :)

[UFSwimDad]

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The was I see it, the fate of TVN and KWC rests with getting 1) an NAIA school such as LW or C of C. I keep saying LE because of an article I found that I will post. I am sure you all have already read it since I am late to this game 2) Getting Bellermine and one of the afore mentioned schools.

I have to believe that with UINDY in our conference HQs backyard, there has had to be some sort of discussion. It just makes sense. I just do not think it would be satisfactory to TVN. I would also throw Marian in here because it makes sense, but that is pure fan speculation on my part. Same for IINDY.

Like it has be said a few times, they have to add more football only schools because at the end of the day, that's what it's about.

I have this feeling that with the HQ in Indy, and the influx of OH schools, expansion may very well end up being more Midwest based than south. But again, I am late to this game and you all have more insight than I do.

Here is that link to the article

http://battlerbeat.blogspot.com/2015...17-as.html?m=1

[Stea1th]

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TNU has been a loyal member. I like the school. I respect their athletic department. But, I always think in the back of my head "they like us, they are putting up with us, but they really want to be in a southern conference". If you listen to their AD and coaches talk (especially baseball/softball/golf), you hear thinly vailed references to it. Its not just a distance thing, it is also a regional thing.

Consider this:



Each region of the US has its own Nazarene college. TNU is the Nazarene school for the southeast region of the US. The whole intent of the school is to educate students from the southeast region. Only KWC is in their region (barely). Based on that map, it looks like Campbellsville and LW would be at the very edge of their region. The school is constantly driving out of their home region (and where their students are from) for games. I think at some point, they almost have to decide that they can't keep doing that.

I think Cedarville likes the big footprint of the conference. Only 34% of CU students are from OH. There is a marketing advantage to having your sports teams "out there". However, TNU plays all of its G-MAC games in an area where they aren't even supposed to be marketing (because its Mount Vernon Nazarene University's turf). That has to suck.

For that reason, I think the G-MAC needs to be very cautious in adding any school solely for TNU's benefit. Any school you add for TNU's benefit has to be one that you would be very happy to have if TNU is gone.

very appropriate that the Trevecca zone on the map is purple! never knew that they drew their students from within static boarders. they should join the GSC and let MVNU take their spot in the GMAC. Trevecca's zone fits perfectly in the GSC footprint. MVNU's zone fits perfectly in the GMAC footprint. the funny thing is that MVNU is currently playing in an Indiana-based conference. So, they are currently also playing all of their road games outside their zone (in Olivet Nazarene's zone). somebody needs to sit down with the Nazarenes and straighten them out.

[DJ Silky Panties]

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"Posted Mar 15, 2002 at 12:01 AM
Updated Jan 12, 2011 at 12:40 PM"

I think they've decided already.

because now dead 80 yr olds ponied up some $$
now they play in higher rent facilty with less attendance and corp $
also have had to unwillingly move women to on campus starting next yr
had to cut a sport, push out a coach and replace with a longterm "interim" with no experience for lowest pay in d1 wbb

they dont have to show P&L being a private. also they are good at pretending and "acting" like they are fiscally sound

[Wabbott9]

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"Posted Mar 15, 2002 at 12:01 AM
Updated Jan 12, 2011 at 12:40 PM"

I think they've decided already.

[DJ Silky Panties]

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Only admitted to a 2 mil deficit but everyone know it was more. Much more now with less corp $ less attendance and higher rent in the over priced corrugated metal interior designed known as The Betty.
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/artic...NEWS/303159950

[DJ Silky Panties]

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GMAC might grab Evansville Theatre Academy. They might go back to D2 instead of D3. Newly renovated Carsons brew center and have a football stadium to bring back non schollly to boost enrollment. Their D1 days are numbered at probably T minus 3 years.

[Looking For 9]

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When a school chooses a conference what are: Must have______________ Would like to have__________________ Doesn't really matter_________________.

At least four items in each. What is the must important item? ________________.