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    Wow, didn't expect this, though private schools across the country are dropping like flies. It's too darn expensive. Sad to see, however:

    https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/...40154528.html?

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    I wonder if we won't have more closings like this. State schools get bailed out when they have terrible management, but private ones have a much tougher time.

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    • #3
      If the Alaska schools end up dropping sports, the GNAC's desperate need for members could extend beyond football.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Inkblot View Post
        If the Alaska schools end up dropping sports, the GNAC's desperate need for members could extend beyond football.
        I haven't heard anything about the situation there lately. Have they made a deal with the legislature yet?

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          A deal was reached with the university for a funding plan. The governor is still facing recall so his drive for deep cuts has been stymied.

          One thing that stood out through the process is that the board of regents for the university of Alaska very much stand behind athletics at both schools.

          I don’t foresee athletics being on the chopping block in the near future. No one can predict long term financial stability within the state, another drastic drop in oil prices could happen, but things are ok right now.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Anchorage View Post
            A deal was reached with the university for a funding plan. The governor is still facing recall so his drive for deep cuts has been stymied.

            One thing that stood out through the process is that the board of regents for the university of Alaska very much stand behind athletics at both schools.

            I don’t foresee athletics being on the chopping block in the near future. No one can predict long term financial stability within the state, another drastic drop in oil prices could happen, but things are ok right now.
            Good news! I am wondering what is going to happen to the hockey programs when the WCHA dissolves.

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            • #7
              This really sucks for the school, students, and alumni. This also drops the GNAC to 5 teams each in baseball and men's and women's golf causing them to lose AQ status in those sports. Hope the conference can work a little magic and get schools with these sports and of course football. I'm looking at SOU, EOU, CofI, and CC.

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              • #8
                What about Lewis and Clark State? They have a very successful NAIA D1 basketball program as well as offer baseball and golf. Seems like they could hit the ground running and compete right away.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Anchorage View Post
                  What about Lewis and Clark State? They have a very successful NAIA D1 basketball program as well as offer baseball and golf. Seems like they could hit the ground running and compete right away.
                  They don't have football.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Anchorage View Post
                    A deal was reached with the university for a funding plan. The governor is still facing recall so his drive for deep cuts has been stymied.

                    One thing that stood out through the process is that the board of regents for the university of Alaska very much stand behind athletics at both schools.

                    I don’t foresee athletics being on the chopping block in the near future. No one can predict long term financial stability within the state, another drastic drop in oil prices could happen, but things are ok right now.
                    I would characterize the problems in Alaska a little differently. I do agree that both schools have support for athletics within their individual campuses. The university is still in the position of taking huge (but not surprising) cuts every year for the next several in a row and the morale on campus (at least in Fairbanks) is low. I would characterize the cuts to the university that stand right now as a slow hemorrhage rather than the rapid bleed that was announced this summer, then amended after a lot of damage was already done. Without a change in philosophy of how the state manages its budget, the university is in trouble for the long term. In the short term, things appear okay, but really, a lot of damage was done last summer that does not undue itself by signing a deal that says the university can have 3 years to take the cut rather than one year; it just slows down the hemorrhage. I'm not sure what will go down in Juneau this year, but I would hope that the governor learned his lesson and that we can rid ourselves of his leadership sooner than later.

                    I have no idea what's going to happen with hockey...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Anchorage View Post
                      What about Lewis and Clark State? They have a very successful NAIA D1 basketball program as well as offer baseball and golf. Seems like they could hit the ground running and compete right away.
                      LCSC has no intention of going D2. The biggest obstacle is for the last 30 or so years -- with the exception of one year -- they've hosted the NAIA World Series for baseball. It's a huge community event and it draws really well, much better than any other venue the NAIA has tried to put it in. Lewiston is in a deep valley and the weather is great for the series, lots of teams arrive putting lots of money into the community. That alone is worth more than anything they could get from D2 affilliation.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by northernGNAChoopfan View Post

                        I would characterize the problems in Alaska a little differently. I do agree that both schools have support for athletics within their individual campuses. The university is still in the position of taking huge (but not surprising) cuts every year for the next several in a row and the morale on campus (at least in Fairbanks) is low. I would characterize the cuts to the university that stand right now as a slow hemorrhage rather than the rapid bleed that was announced this summer, then amended after a lot of damage was already done. Without a change in philosophy of how the state manages its budget, the university is in trouble for the long term. In the short term, things appear okay, but really, a lot of damage was done last summer that does not undue itself by signing a deal that says the university can have 3 years to take the cut rather than one year; it just slows down the hemorrhage. I'm not sure what will go down in Juneau this year, but I would hope that the governor learned his lesson and that we can rid ourselves of his leadership sooner than later.

                        I have no idea what's going to happen with hockey...
                        I think it’s fair to say that you’ve always been most concerned than I have with the governors power to really slash the budget how he wants. I think it’s obvious that most of the legislature doesn’t have the stomach to follow him down the path to such draconian cuts.

                        And even with his “deal” to only cut 75 million over 3 years to the UA system, instead 150 million in one year, that plan still doesn’t have support in the legislature. And I think many are offended he tried to completely cut them out of the agreement, making it with only with the UA President. I also don’t think the Board of Regents stand behind the UA President in that deal. So you have two guys who worked this out without the buy in of two bodies who carry significant clout. This years budget hasn’t been agreed to so those cuts in year 2 and 3 are essentially meaningless.

                        Lastly, when Dunleavy went after those cuts he did so at the expense of much of his political capital. His approval rating dropped to nearly 20 points underwater. After he backed off of many of those cuts did it begin to rebound. Politicians if nothing else are self-preservationists. I doubt he has the desire to sabotage himself once again by going after the UA so aggressively. Yes you will a push for a little bit of cuts here and there, but the giant hacksaw type cuts didn’t work out for him well.

                        I do agree with you on Hockey...if there is a sport in trouble it’s that one. It’s the most expensive and the crowd sizes dwindle further and further each year. Plus the WCHA essentially getting up and jointly moving out on UAA leaving them with no conference to play in.
                        Last edited by Anchorage; 02-11-2020, 07:35 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tsull View Post

                          LCSC has no intention of going D2. The biggest obstacle is for the last 30 or so years -- with the exception of one year -- they've hosted the NAIA World Series for baseball. It's a huge community event and it draws really well, much better than any other venue the NAIA has tried to put it in. Lewiston is in a deep valley and the weather is great for the series, lots of teams arrive putting lots of money into the community. That alone is worth more than anything they could get from D2 affilliation.
                          They started to move up in the late 90s and actually joined the PacWest in 1998 alongside WOU, WWU, CWU, and SMU. Do you happen to know what caused them to abort the move?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Inkblot View Post

                            They started to move up in the late 90s and actually joined the PacWest in 1998 alongside WOU, WWU, CWU, and SMU. Do you happen to know what caused them to abort the move?
                            I'm from that area (30 miles north of LCSC) and never heard about that potential move, but I was living out of the area then so maybe I didn't see it. I'm guessing they were pleased with hosting the NAIA baseball tournament and winning rather well in NAIA basketball, both men's and women's.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by laker View Post
                              I wonder if we won't have more closings like this. State schools get bailed out when they have terrible management, but private ones have a much tougher time.
                              Yes. It's already happening, and it's very well documented. There are more extensive lists, but I found this one that tracks closures from 2016 onward:

                              https://www.educationdive.com/news/tracker-college-and-university-closings-and-consolidation/539961/

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                              t's really a perfect storm for higher education. So many factors are involved. First of all, there are way, way too many colleges in the US. The cost of tuition, books, fees, and cost-of-attendance is skyrocketing. The value of a Bachelor's Degree is diminishing quickly. Combine that with factors like online programs, free information on the internet, declining birth rates, and an over-saturation of college graduates from generations past leaving large employment gaps in trade industries - it's no wonder why schools are shutting down.

                              Personally, I think higher education needs to go through an extensive reformation from the ground up in order to fix the problem. However, I think there are far too many smart people involved and that typically means no real change will happen. Realistically, the only "safe" institutions are the massive public and private universities, and the higher producing community colleges. Everyone else is fair game. It will be really interesting to see the landscape of higher ed in the next 20+ years.

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