Super Region Rankings (10/25)

[boyblue]

What factors have a 2 loss GSC team behind two SAC teams with 2 losses?

Wingate will likely beat Mars Hill, Newberry and Lenoir-Rhyne over the next three weeks. If UWA beats NGU & MC, and looses to UWF, how will their 8*3 record stack up against the SAC 3 loss teams?

[NWFanatic]

if things stay the same NW @ LU would be closer than NW @ Harding but I like either match up

[Inkblot]

if things stay the same NW @ LU would be closer than NW @ Harding but I like either match up

The key factor right now is that Kearney can drive to Lindenwood but not to Harding. (Henderson State gets shipped out of region because they can drive to West Georgia.)

[Twincitiesmav]

[canadarican]

What factors have a 2 loss GSC team behind two SAC teams with 2 losses?

Wingate will likely beat Mars Hill, Newberry and Lenoir-Rhyne over the next three weeks. If UWA beats NGU & MC, and looses to UWF, how will their 8*3 record stack up against the SAC 3 loss teams?

Wingate could also very well lose all three of those games. I think they lose at least one.

Personally a 3 loss GSC team (depending on losses and how they lost) should be in over a 2 loss SAC team. If we want the best teams in the playoffs thats my opinion. But it also depends on who the SAC team lost to and who they beat.

[Divisiontwo]

if things stay the same NW @ LU would be closer than NW @ Harding but I like either match up

May look like 7-6 again.

[boyblue]

Wingate could also very well lose all three of those games. I think they lose at least one.

Personally a 3 loss GSC team (depending on losses and how they lost) should be in over a 2 loss SAC team. If we want the best teams in the playoffs thats my opinion. But it also depends on who the SAC team lost to and who they beat.

With the new criteria, especially the performance indicator it may be more often that a 2 loss team get in over a 3 loss team, but the initial regional poll has the SAC 2 teams with 2 losses over a 2 loss UWA, that's seems strange

[Redwing]

With the new criteria, especially the performance indicator it may be more often that a 2 loss team get in over a 3 loss team, but the initial regional poll has the SAC 2 teams with 2 losses over a 2 loss UWA, that's seems strange

Can someone explain exactly how the performance indicator is determined? It's apparently some calculated number, but my quick review didn't show me how it's calculated. Is it some combo of w/l, sos, etc? Does it double count some other metric if the same metric is part of the PI?
TIA

[RedFromMI]

Can someone explain exactly how the performance indicator is determined? It's apparently some calculated number, but my quick review didn't show me how it's calculated. Is it some combo of w/l, sos, etc? Does it double count some other metric if the same metric is part of the PI?
TIA

Go to https://www.ncaa.org/championships/division-ii-football

There you will find a link to the pdf file that explains the point system for the Performance Indicator. Points are given for exactly what kind of win/loss (home, neutral, away) over teams with various winning percentages, totaled and divided by the number of games. Also, links to the pre-championship manual which explains everything you need to know about the playoff system.

PI link: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/cha...eIndicator.pdf

Manual link: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/cha...ampsManual.pdf

[Redwing]

Go to https://www.ncaa.org/championships/division-ii-football

There you will find a link to the pdf file that explains the point system for the Performance Indicator. Points are given for exactly what kind of win/loss (home, neutral, away) over teams with various winning percentages, totaled and divided by the number of games. Also, links to the pre-championship manual which explains everything you need to know about the playoff system.

PI link: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/cha...eIndicator.pdf

Manual link: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/cha...ampsManual.pdf

Thanks! I thought it was there, but I was too lazy to look and check links. Really appreciate you posting them!

[RedFromMI]

"In-region" is a tricky term. It doesn't just apply to super regions... any opponent that's in a state that has schools sharing a basketball region with teams in your state counts as an in-region game. This seriously limits its usefulness, and to be honest I ignore it.

The "official" regions (apply to sports like basketball with large numbers of teams) consist of conference groupings only - and there are eight of them. Any artificial regions like the super regions for football are added in on top, in a sense. If your team plays a school in their own basketball region, that is ALWAYS in region. Any game against a team from a bordering state is also in region, with some added "borders" to permit schools in more isolated states to have more in region games (MN/MI games are always in region, for example).

There used to be a document that had a table listing all the states for which a school in any state would become in region, but with the reorganization of the ncaa.org website, I cannot find it for the moment.

Reference:

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/cha...izationMap.pdf

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/cha...Principles.pdf

[Inkblot]

The "official" regions (apply to sports like basketball with large numbers of teams) consist of conference groupings only - and there are eight of them. Any artificial regions like the super regions for football are added in on top, in a sense. If your team plays a school in their own basketball region, that is ALWAYS in region. Any game against a team from a bordering state is also in region, with some added "borders" to permit schools in more isolated states to have more in region games (MN/MI games are always in region, for example).

There used to be a document that had a table listing all the states for which a school in any state would become in region, but with the reorganization of the ncaa.org website, I cannot find it for the moment.

Reference:

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/cha...izationMap.pdf

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/cha...Principles.pdf

And as indicated in that map, if two states have schools in the same basketball region, all games in any sport between schools in those two states are in-region. I remember this coming up in 2019 when Valdosta State played Ohio Dominican and it counted as in-region, while a game between a PSAC Pennsylvania school and a GLIAC Michigan school did not.

I haven't seen an updated map for this year. West Virginia might not count for the Midwest region anymore, since there are no WV schools left in the GMAC.

[Uwfalum98]

Now that football teams can be sent to another region to save on travel expenses, does this in anyway change the way out of region games will be weighed vs in region?

[RedFromMI]

Now that football teams can be sent to another region to save on travel expenses, does this in anyway change the way out of region games will be weighed vs in region?

I don't think so - the travel expense thing is nothing more than a way to save money. The criteria for selection/seeding are in the prechampionship manual at the link I provided above.

[ctrabs74]

Just like everyone predicted preseason: Augie, Bemidji and Wayne in the Playoffs from NSIC :)

A SR4 playoff picture without Mankato or Duluth is something that was not on my 2021 bingo card...