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  • SW_Mustang
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    Originally posted by Bballfan View Post
    Alverno... "Publicly available records indicate the school has run a deficit in four of the past five years, ranging from $1.8 million to $3.7 million"

    I don't know why a college thinks things are magically going to turn around, When you are operating at a deficit year over year, you can make cuts, but you can only cut so much and cutting some sports will only take more students out of the enrollment numbers. Enrollment numbers are continuing to decline, so no magic elixir is out there to save all these schools who can't even operate at a break-even level.
    The "magically" part is key - my alma mater was experiencing an enrollment decline while I was there. The administration wanted to snap their fingers and make it all go away - no investment or effort needed. The president literally told myself and a group of students to text our friends and tell them to go to school there - it was so pathetic.

    I usually view these announcements as a cry for help - a last ditch effort to rally alumni/community support. It rarely, if ever works, especially in the long term. Higher education is so weird in that regard.

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  • Bballfan
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    Alverno... "Publicly available records indicate the school has run a deficit in four of the past five years, ranging from $1.8 million to $3.7 million"

    I don't know why a college thinks things are magically going to turn around, When you are operating at a deficit year over year, you can make cuts, but you can only cut so much and cutting some sports will only take more students out of the enrollment numbers. Enrollment numbers are continuing to decline, so no magic elixir is out there to save all these schools who can't even operate at a break-even level.

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  • SW_Mustang
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    DIII Alverno College announces financial distress, early cuts include track and field program:

    Alverno College declares financial emergency, plans to cut programs (jsonline.com)

    WCC University of Wisconsin - Oshkosh at Fox Cities is closing.

    UW-Oshkosh to shut down Fox Cities campus amid enrollment plunge - WTMJ

    It's hard to get information on the WCC, but this is surely the deathblow to the conference if it hadn't been dealt already. Wikipedia notes that after closures and departures, only three teams will remain (assuming they aren't closing and/or dropping varsity sports already). Sad ending to a pretty unique athletic conference.

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  • Bballfan
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    Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
    I've noticed that the CACC and NCAA logos are not on the Bloomfield College athletics site. The Saint Augustine's athletic site "not found" for several days now.
    Bloomfield College isn't on double secret probation, but they are on probation. I don't see them surviving. A lot of these colleges on this list are already closed or are closing (Wells, Saint Rose, Pittsburgh Tech). Once you are in jeopardy of losing accreditation, that is when the end is near.

    https://www.msche.org/non-compliance...ons-by-status/
    Last edited by Bballfan; 06-20-2024, 06:59 AM.

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  • SW_Mustang
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    Originally posted by cwfenn View Post

    The Hartford thing-the president basically forced it down everyone’s throats and then took his retirement and left right after it. Right or wrong (and I couldn’t tell you either way), it was handled quite poorly.
    The St. Cloud method. Nice...

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  • cwfenn
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    Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

    The Hartford situation was hilarious because nobody was going to the games but they had a lot to say when the decision was made to go DIII.

    That Idaho situation is disturbing though. Some fans are nuts.
    The Hartford thing-the president basically forced it down everyone’s throats and then took his retirement and left right after it. Right or wrong (and I couldn’t tell you either way), it was handled quite poorly.

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  • Tech Boys
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    I've noticed that the CACC and NCAA logos are not on the Bloomfield College athletics site. The Saint Augustine's athletic site "not found" for several days now.

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  • SW_Mustang
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    Originally posted by laker View Post

    Yes, dropping sports after the coming year, but still staying open.

    The future of CUAA athletics beyond 2024-25
    CSP is under the Concordia umbrella - and that university system has been hit hard over the last decade. Makes me hope they will pull through.

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  • laker
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    Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post
    A meeting was held last week to determine the future of NAIA Concordia-Ann Arbor. They will not close but will not operate independently, albeit with budget cuts ahead. They notably merged with Concordia-Wisconsin in 2013

    Concordia University Regents decide Ann Arbor campus will be not be independently operated | WEMU-FM

    In other news, the International College of Broadcasting, Triangle Tech, and Pittsburgh Technical College have all announced closure.
    Yes, dropping sports after the coming year, but still staying open.

    The future of CUAA athletics beyond 2024-25

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  • SW_Mustang
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    A meeting was held last week to determine the future of NAIA Concordia-Ann Arbor. They will not close but will not operate independently, albeit with budget cuts ahead. They notably merged with Concordia-Wisconsin in 2013

    Concordia University Regents decide Ann Arbor campus will be not be independently operated | WEMU-FM

    In other news, the International College of Broadcasting, Triangle Tech, and Pittsburgh Technical College have all announced closure.
    Last edited by SW_Mustang; 06-12-2024, 03:19 PM.

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  • SW_Mustang
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    Originally posted by Finchwidget View Post
    Hartford moving from D1 to D3 was met with a lot of backlash on campus. Idaho's decision to drop to FCS got their president doxxed online, and that was just in football.
    The Hartford situation was hilarious because nobody was going to the games but they had a lot to say when the decision was made to go DIII.

    That Idaho situation is disturbing though. Some fans are nuts.

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  • Finchwidget
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    Originally posted by psugorilla View Post
    Does anyone think that we could be on the verge of seeing some of the smaller D1 schools looking to come down to D2 again? Be it financial/Academic based or just a competition based decision, and if so, who do you think could be potential movers?
    I don't think we'll see any waves of schools moving back down. Hartford moving from D1 to D3 was met with a lot of backlash on campus. Idaho's decision to drop to FCS got their president doxxed online, and that was just in football. There are definitely many that should, but no one wants it to be their team, and by extension I don't think any president wants to be the person that makes that decision.

    However though, I wouldn't be shocked to see any of the members in the MEAC not named Howard drop down in the likely event that conference goes under

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  • laker
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    Originally posted by psugorilla View Post
    who do you think could be potential movers?
    Not sure why Presbyterian is still D1. There are some others who should be sent down but politics won't allow it.

    On a side track, I see that there is a bill in North Carolina where they want to require that NC and NC State play each other (in case NC leaves the ACC), but also require both to have games with East Carolina and App St.

    Andrew Carter@_andrewcarter

    A bill that'd require UNC and N.C. State to play App State, ECU and Charlotte more often in football (and basketball) passed through a House committee today in about 30 seconds. (Bill would also put into law that UNC and State play every year.)

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  • psugorilla
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    So in the last couple of decades we have had a rather large contingent of schools moving up from D2 to D1. We have also seen a few schools look to reclassify down to D2 and ultimately abandon that. We had Winston Salem come back to D2. And a few schools move up to D2.
    Does anyone think that we could be on the verge of seeing some of the smaller D1 schools looking to come down to D2 again? Be it financial/Academic based or just a competition based decision, and if so, who do you think could be potential movers?

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  • SW_Mustang
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    Here's a list of colleges that have closed since 2020. It's not all-encompassing I've noticed, and it can also be a little misleading - like when it says IUPUI is "closing." But it's a good list.

    Closed Colleges: List, Statistics, and Major Closures | BestColleges

    (IUPUI is separating into two different institutions).

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