2017-18 PSAC Scholarships

[Fightingscot82]

Re: 2017-18 PSAC Scholarships

You guys really want us to believe IUP spends 4 TIMES MORE on football players than West Chester? You really believe that?

I think its a matter of IUP raising more money for football than West Chester. That's where the money is coming from. So yeah, IUP has "4 TIMES MORE" scholarship revenue for football than West Chester. Here's what they tell the federal government (for the 2016 FY):

Gameday Expenses - Football:
IUP $26,272
West Chester $171,888

Total Expenses - Football:
IUP $1,808,686
West Chester $956,226

Total Revenue - Football:
IUP $1,992,977
West Chester $1,260,981

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: 2017-18 PSAC Scholarships

You guys really want us to believe IUP spends 4 TIMES MORE on football players than West Chester? You really believe that?

[Fightingscot82]

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It's not illegal. It's just creative accounting. Then once a year the scholarship list comes out and it's the same yearly conversation ... same posts about how the East schools do so well with 'no money' ... blah blah blah.

That's why that list isn't even worth publishing.

Believe what you want.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Or even a complaint from another PSAC coach.

It's not illegal. It's just creative accounting. Then once a year the scholarship list comes out and it's the same yearly conversation ... same posts about how the East schools do so well with 'no money' ... blah blah blah.

That's why that list isn't even worth publishing.

[Fightingscot82]

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And no one has been able to offer a reason for such willful deception. And since it's supposedly been going on for several years, why has there not been an investigation by the NCAA?

Or even a complaint from another PSAC coach.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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We should set up a Go Fund Me for the poor East football programs.

[Fightingscot82]

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West Chester is wAy behind IUP in the on campus housing replacement. WCU still has all their old ratchet dorms. They have a lot of demolition to do.

Now they want to close off Church St to traffic like IUP did to Pratt, Grant and 11th Street on the campus.

IUP leads, West Chester follows.

They're the only school with excess demand so I don't think there's necessarily a competitive need to invest so heavily in residence halls. The schools who haven't felt the competitive pinch are the ones who haven't invested in luxury dorms. I'd put West Chester in that category.

[Horror Child]

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Its easier to openly speculate that a school is engaged in willful deception when they can easily do a formal or informal FOI request.

And no one has been able to offer a reason for such willful deception. And since it's supposedly been going on for several years, why has there not been an investigation by the NCAA?

[IUPNation]

As I recall, West Chester's on-campus housing is the same way; the older North Campus dorms (including the College Arms complex the school purchased a few years ago) and the first phase of South Campus housing are directly operated by WCU, but newer North Campus dorms and newer phases of South Campus housing are outsourced.

West Chester is wAy behind IUP in the on campus housing replacement. WCU still has all their old ratchet dorms. They have a lot of demolition to do.

Now they want to close off Church St to traffic like IUP did to Pratt, Grant and 11th Street on the campus.

IUP leads, West Chester follows.

[ctrabs74]

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It may have to do with differences in who operates the housing, for instance IUP's new housing is outsourced, so they have to be paid by someone. However some older housing is operated by the university, and so it is possible to waive room for these dorms. I don't know how west chester operates its housing.

As I recall, West Chester's on-campus housing is the same way; the older North Campus dorms (including the College Arms complex the school purchased a few years ago) and the first phase of South Campus housing are directly operated by WCU, but newer North Campus dorms and newer phases of South Campus housing are outsourced.

[WVIAC-F-EVER]

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This year - 201819 - will be the first year that only athletic aid counts...

So the academic kid that had a 3.00 and ncaa said it had to be a 3.3 for it not to count... or the leadership kid that had a 2.00 and your school policy said they had to have a 2.50...

Since D2 has no counter rule limiting a certain number of on a team receiving athletic aid...

Schools in urban area that can have kids commute from home, that can get academic, pell, seog, cws, will have an advantage over rural schools with no population

[IUP CRIMSON HAWKS]

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So you guys actually believe they are operating on 6 scholarships?

A year or so back I took an in-depth look at the stellar offensive unit that West Chest featured in 2014. No such unit could EVER be put together on a mere six scholies. And that was just one side of the ball.

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[ironmaniup]

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The financial equivalent of 6 full scholarships, yes. Its my understanding that the number reported DOES NOT include housing or meal waivers which can easily reduce the cost of attendance well beyond scholarship dollars. Someone told me that they exist in the west but the western schools tend to use these for need-based aid rather than athletics like the east. It also makes me wonder if PSAC East coaches are more likely to compensate themselves for camp money rather than put that revenue into the program.

It may have to do with differences in who operates the housing, for instance IUP's new housing is outsourced, so they have to be paid by someone. However some older housing is operated by the university, and so it is possible to waive room for these dorms. I don't know how west chester operates its housing.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Didn't Matt start this thread with the real numbers? The real point is you could never be convinced. Cool that you acknowledge that West Chester is a powerhouse.

LOL .. you got me. 'Powerhouse' was probably a bit extreme. Above-average is probably better suited.

[Fightingscot82]

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So you guys actually believe they are operating on 6 scholarships?

The financial equivalent of 6 full scholarships, yes. Its my understanding that the number reported DOES NOT include housing or meal waivers which can easily reduce the cost of attendance well beyond scholarship dollars. Someone told me that they exist in the west but the western schools tend to use these for need-based aid rather than athletics like the east. It also makes me wonder if PSAC East coaches are more likely to compensate themselves for camp money rather than put that revenue into the program.