PSAC says no Fall Sports in the Spring

[complaint_hopeful]

Where's all the money coming from to support all these players?

The current high school seniors being recruited aren't going to get much money waived at them.

Some of this will work itself out. Current seniors on pace to graduate in May ... just may retire. Next to none have (legit) NFL aspirations.

If I was a star ... I'd heavily look into moving up. I wouldn't trust having a D2 season even in the Fall of '21.

I wonder how this worked. In D1, they talked about another year of eligibility and I think they granted it.

So look at Miami Hurricanes. You get a certain amount of scholarships, right? Say D'Eriq King decides to come back for another year. Wouldn't that year of scholarship take away a scholarship from an incoming freshman? (Of course, Miami probably makes that trade.)

[IUPalum]

What media pressure would you like to occur? Really curious...Are we to expect a rally outside the Home Office?!

God you're dumb!!! He's saying there is no media pressure to play at the D2 level unlike the D1 level. He's not saying he wants media pressure. Where the heck did you get that???

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I wonder how this worked. In D1, they talked about another year of eligibility and I think they granted it.

So look at Miami Hurricanes. You get a certain amount of scholarships, right? Say D'Eriq King decides to come back for another year. Wouldn't that year of scholarship take away a scholarship from an incoming freshman? (Of course, Miami probably makes that trade.)

D1 -- in particular the P5 -- is a different animal. I'd assume they'll raise the scholarship limit.

Our neck of the woods, ... very different financial outlook. In D2 football the scholarship limit is 35 equivalencies. So, you could give 35 guys full rides or 70 guys half rides, etc. That's assuming, however, you have 35 equivalencies to give out. The PSAC 'state' programs have to raise their own scholarship money. Nobody is near the 35 equivalencies.

IUP and SRU dangle in the low 20s most years. Cal got real high when Angelo had the English department fronting the bill, but has since come back in the 15-18 range. Then you get in to the Clarion's of the league with like 5-7 equivalencies in some years.

So, that's where the mess starts -- especially if you have a lot of seniors (currently) who choose to come back next year. There's only so much money in our programs.

Now, they'll look for every avenue possible ... getting top students on academic money ... stuff like that. Not all these current seniors will come back. Then you have the normal transfer-out mentality of numerous players every off-season. Some of it will take care of itself.

It will be tricky for schools like IUP and SRU -- both have really loaded senior classes right now. Those coaches are surely going to want most of them to stick around. That likely means they sign a very small class this year. Or, they make some cuts. Scholarship money is year-to-year. It can be pulled.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

What media pressure would you like to occur? Really curious...Are we to expect a rally outside the Home Office?!

There's no heat. Look back to when the Big 10 cancelled. All h*ll broke loose. They eventually caved and are now playing. Same with the Pac 10 and the MAC.

The PSAC cancels football ... next to nobody cares. Oh well. Maybe next year.

[shipfbfan1]

There's no heat. Look back to when the Big 10 cancelled. All h*ll broke loose. They eventually caved and are now playing. Same with the Pac 10 and the MAC.

The PSAC cancels football ... next to nobody cares. Oh well. Maybe next year.

There are quite a few players on twitter who are pissed off and looking to organize to let their voices be heard. Not sure how much noise or effect that will have on the powers that be seeing as though there aren't any media deals with the PSAC that would generate income to support the mandated testing needed. Maybe a vaccination is out by February allowing them to still have an abbreviated spring season.

[complaint_hopeful]

D1 -- in particular the P5 -- is a different animal. I'd assume they'll raise the scholarship limit.

Our neck of the woods, ... very different financial outlook. In D2 football the scholarship limit is 35 equivalencies. So, you could give 35 guys full rides or 70 guys half rides, etc. That's assuming, however, you have 35 equivalencies to give out. The PSAC 'state' programs have to raise their own scholarship money. Nobody is near the 35 equivalencies.

IUP and SRU dangle in the low 20s most years. Cal got real high when Angelo had the English department fronting the bill, but has since come back in the 15-18 range. Then you get in to the Clarion's of the league with like 5-7 equivalencies in some years.

So, that's where the mess starts -- especially if you have a lot of seniors (currently) who choose to come back next year. There's only so much money in our programs.

Now, they'll look for every avenue possible ... getting top students on academic money ... stuff like that. Not all these current seniors will come back. Then you have the normal transfer-out mentality of numerous players every off-season. Some of it will take care of itself.

It will be tricky for schools like IUP and SRU -- both have really loaded senior classes right now. Those coaches are surely going to want most of them to stick around. That likely means they sign a very small class this year. Or, they make some cuts. Scholarship money is year-to-year. It can be pulled.

Thanks for that detailed analysis.

Do you know Edinboro's situation? Interestingly, it makes sense to combine Cal/Clarion/Edinboro to one program resource wise. You may get to the 35 scholarships and have a really competitive program. (Although Cal competes just fine now.) But, does it make sense to keep Clarion's program going?

Isn't Clarion the last PSAC school to win a football championship?

[complaint_hopeful]

There's no heat. Look back to when the Big 10 cancelled. All h*ll broke loose. They eventually caved and are now playing. Same with the Pac 10 and the MAC.

The PSAC cancels football ... next to nobody cares. Oh well. Maybe next year.

Agreed 100% with this. The games just aren't popular on TV...if they're on at all. And generally the games aren't big draws. These programs aren't bringing in millions to schools. And generally these players aren't headed to the Pros. Some high schools even have nicer stadiums than some of these schools.

In some ways, it's like a continuation of high school football, but the quality of play is much higher as it's the kids from the top half or top third of the HS rosters.

And I don't say this to knock it. It has it's place. But, if say the Big 10 doesn't play, they lose hundreds of millions of dollars. The PSAC not playing may actually save money.

[complaint_hopeful]

There are quite a few players on twitter who are pissed off and looking to organize to let their voices be heard. Not sure how much noise or effect that will have on the powers that be seeing as though there aren't any media deals with the PSAC that would generate income to support the mandated testing needed. Maybe a vaccination is out by February allowing them to still have an abbreviated spring season.

This all ties into the whole covid discussion. Some favor shutdowns. Masks. Safety.

But, don't take football away from my HS kid? Or my D2 college kid!

It's a pandemic. The cause shouldn't matter. It should be can you safely do it...and I doubt that D2 schools have the resources to pull this off.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

This all ties into the whole covid discussion. Some favor shutdowns. Masks. Safety.

But, don't take football away from my HS kid? Or my D2 college kid!

It's a pandemic. The cause shouldn't matter. It should be can you safely do it...and I doubt that D2 schools have the resources to pull this off.

Do they really NEED to be tested 3 times a week? That NCAA requirement was the death sentence for D2 and D3.

High school football went off pretty smooth.

End of the day if there was money to be made D2 would be playing.

[Fightingscot82]

Thanks for that detailed analysis.

Do you know Edinboro's situation? Interestingly, it makes sense to combine Cal/Clarion/Edinboro to one program resource wise. You may get to the 35 scholarships and have a really competitive program. (Although Cal competes just fine now.) But, does it make sense to keep Clarion's program going?

Isn't Clarion the last PSAC school to win a football championship?

Edinboro is around 12-13 equivalencies but has been as high as 18-19. That's an intriguing idea, but you also lose 200 students (along with their tuition) who leave when they lose a roster spot. That's a $3-4 million hit after expenses. No PSAC team has won a championship. Bloom is the last team to play in the championship 20 years ago.

[complaint_hopeful]

Do they really NEED to be tested 3 times a week? That NCAA requirement was the death sentence for D2 and D3.

High school football went off pretty smooth.

End of the day if there was money to be made D2 would be playing.

Yeah that's the big question.

Now, people say schools that opened and high school sports haven't hard issues, but with younger people being relatively asymptomatic...it's hard to say. We're about 2 months after that stuff opened and cases are going out of control. Hard to prove, but it likely contributes to the spread.

Honestly, in a pandemic...the right thing to do would be to not play sports. But, there is too much money involved. And they want to give people stuck at home something to watch on TV.

[complaint_hopeful]

Edinboro is around 12-13 equivalencies but has been as high as 18-19. That's an intriguing idea, but you also lose 200 students (along with their tuition) who leave when they lose a roster spot. That's a $3-4 million hit after expenses. No PSAC team has won a championship. Bloom is the last team to play in the championship 20 years ago.

So Clarion, probably should be a D2 school in football to be competitive? Edinboro arguably can compete in D2 at some level, albeit doesn't have the resources to be elite. Maybe Edinboro and Cal pool resources and Clarion goes D3?

What do you think about that?

[IUPbigINDIANS]

So Clarion, probably should be a D2 school in football to be competitive? Edinboro arguably can compete in D2 at some level, albeit doesn't have the resources to be elite. Maybe Edinboro and Cal pool resources and Clarion goes D3?

What do you think about that?

Make sure they take Seton Hill with them.


As for Clarion ... Chris Weibel has a tough job. The program has very little support. It's tough to get kids from urban backgrounds to go up there. Clarion is a pretty isolated little mountain town.

I give him a lot of credit. They don't win many games but they aren't a pushover. He gets a lot out of his players. They've given IUP fits a couple times in recent history.

Weibel is the perfect example of a good coach in a bad situation. Put him at the helm at IUP or SRU and his career record would be much, much different. Conversely, put Paul Tortorella or Shawn Lutz at Clarion ... their records wouldn't be nearly as shiny.

The playing field in the PSAC is so uneven it's absurd. Within the same division you have teams with 25 scholarships and teams with 5.

Technically, Gannon and Mercyhurst are maxed out at 35 ... but, that's a different topic with discounted tuition, etc.

Clarion always has a pretty solid first 20-25 players. It's the next 25 guys that they lack. You look at a ton of their losses ... they are in games usually in to the mid third quarter. But that final quarter ... the lack of quality depth really bites them.

[iupgroundhog]

I really think the formation of Sprint football programs at some of these "triad" schools would be a great option. They could form their own league. They'd still have FB, they'd be rivals, they could have Homecoming with a FB game, and according to the article below (which is 8 yrs. old) they would save 80% on the cost of maintaining an NCAA D2 program.

We already have Mansfield as an example. Out of conference games could be with Ivy League teams and service academies.

If one of the schools in the triad wants to maintain a D2 program, they could. Thoughts?

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/Rec...wth-spurt.html

[Bart]

Most teams don't even have enough jerseys for their entire recruiting class for one year imagine scrambling to order more home jerseys for 2 freshman classes. We will be looking at possibly rosters with 120 players and many D2 kids who were AA's at this level looking for a shot at a higher level similar to what Winston Eubanks did going from Ship to Penn State.

Bloom could have a few players in their 7th year of college should they decide to continue.